Usually, the acid test for this crow's nest of conjecture is a good whack in the head. If it shouts "Ow!!!", it must surely exist. The end.
See why I suspect you of being a bot? ________________________________ From: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, 09 November 2019 22:04 To: AGI <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [agi] Leggifying "Friendly Intelligence" and "Zombies" I have something shocking to tell yous. Strap your seat belt in. If the whole universe is just a bunch of particles and everything is a machine made of machines and nothing is alive or conscious and can all be moved, metaled, squished, or rotated (as we do to hamburgers when they enter our mouth, or electrons when they move on a chip), then we cannot tell if we are really here! That's right, us machines cannot observe that the universe exists. Nothing can! Therefore, although I am typing on my keyboard, I am not, you are not reading this, and so on, as it's all under the hood, nothing can 'observe or act' what we are doing, for we are just a machine like the molecule in a hamburger. There's no such thing as 'observing'. There's no ghost that actually sees the camera feed or sends out motor actions!! No one or thing can see we are here!! There's no way to test it or live it. There's no machine that can 'live' or 'have fun'. My body is a giant collage connected to my bedroom. Forget verifying we are here. We need something to actually see or feel we are here and 'live'. And it's not us machines that can do that. Therefore, observers (ghosts) MUST exist for the universe TO exist! So how many ghosts are there? I'm still skeptical. Does each brain have a ghost? Do worms? Molecules? Atoms? Particles? All we know is the universe needs someone to experience/enjoy the universe. But what law spawns a ghost? The hosting machine must live a long time. But so do atoms or molecules. What happens during all the time a brain doesn't recognize an image or internal thought? Do ghosts come back to existence 60fps in our brains? What if I'm uploaded to the cloud? What if I have a exact clone of my brain? Does it create a new ghost? How does the universe handle 2 now? It seems silly. Yet we don't exist if there's no ghost, because all we would be is a load of particles in a new arrangement and nothing can 'see' or 'enjoy' the universe. Therefore I take with me my crazy view of Earth and walk away with a ghostly thought that may be true. SO, The whole universe isn't actually here if there's no ghost to actually feel it. You may argue but the particles ARE here, well, yeah, but, there's no one to see we are here, and more importantly there's no one to even enjoy anything! We are just machines, and can't even be observed to exist! We are tin cans, and there's not even a movie of them. To actually see the universe plus enjoy it, you need a ghost, no machine can see nor enjoy anything as there's no such thing that you could build that ever does that. And why do I keep saying see. What is see. What about smell, or the things my kidney does. At least if we are just tin cans we could be observed to exist, but there's not even a movie. The universe doesn't exist, or better put, none of us are here and we are talking about nothing. No one here actually knows what I just explained, and no one will, because we aren't ghosts and therefore no 'one' or 'thing' in the universe can know what we just learnt today. The machine is working in the universe, no 'one' learnt anything today. Get me? You're not a person and not segmentable, or to even be talked about, nor can you. Dear Machine Learner crackpots; Zombies Are Us already. Humans are machines. Humans can't actually feel pleasure or pain (just like you can't touch the real world being a brain) and death is fine. It already happens. Human shoot others in the head with guns. Animals are tortured. Birth/death is normal and both pleasure/pain are needed to train our algorithms. You think death won't happen to future AIs but it will as their old body is updated with a new one. Ignore the brain. It's all machinery, there's no segmentation. Meaning we will certainly die at least once. Every day our memories change, you are not the same machine. We will avoid extinction probably, as our bodies are inclined to resist death (or death of our group for the non-selfish machines). We just don't want ASIs killing us or torturing us, they may trick us. Artificial General Intelligence List<https://agi.topicbox.com/latest> / AGI / see discussions<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi> + participants<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/members> + delivery options<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription> Permalink<https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T251f13454e6192d4-M1e4e77902ed9935e4fa11627> ------------------------------------------ Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T251f13454e6192d4-M57aa93ec75b1d717278037bd Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription
