I apologize if this is an off topic post, but I wanted to warn people out
there that there is a fraudulent person going by the name of "Mike Rose"
that is exploiting the ideas of fellow transhumanists and singularitarians
for his profit, and wasting their time.  I've spoken to many people in
private about this and the responses I have received gave me indication that
I have enough evidence to go forward and warn the community about this
individual.  It is an insult to the intelligence of our community the
actions he is carrying out against us and the deception he is using, which I
will detail below.

I was contacted by Mike Rose, via Alex Lightman's friends list, to join a
group of people to form the Intuitive IQ Facebook group.

Mike's guidelines for the group is that people should post solutions to
problems, with a plan for implementing them.  Or people can present a
problem and ask others to solve it.
I was very active and helpful toward building conversations, inviting over
20 of my own personal friends to join the group.  Mike and I had many
conversations over the last 6 weeks.  I became suspicious after a friend of
mine who is retired CEO took a look at some of Mike's posts and said that
they were suspicious of somebody who would be using them for profit.

Here is a very partial list of the things which raised my suspicion meter (I
can provide logs if needed):

1) I posted a piece of writing on some ideas I had for practical uses of AI.
 After doing so, He started talking to me daily, sometimes spending more
than two, three, or even four hours in chat with me on Skype and/or
Facebook, steering the subject of the conversation toward my ideas.  He
didn't specifically ask me to tell him, but he would use psychological
tactics to try to get me to do so, which most ordinary people would be naive
to.  At the end of a long conversation, he would end by saying that my ideas
are "safe with him", or that I should "know who my real friends are, like
him".


2) Mike said that he had been having similar ideas, and that we should "join
forces" and share our ideas.  I'll quote him:

"up front I will say that what you are talking about with creating this
"Intelligence Google" is strangely similar (different, but similar) to what
I had planned for the IIQ website
and I really think we should share our visions more and see if this is
something we may want to combine"


3) I started hearing complaints in private from people that I had invited to
the group.  Mostly about censorship, which Mike is free to do, as it is his
group.  But I noticed that he would generally disapprove of completely valid
solutions to problems that he asked, but the solutions involving patented
products that are for sale but not particularly popular yet.  Also, anyone
who questioned him about any of these things were deleted from the group,
despite the fact that he


4) Not long at all after I told him I wanted to keep the rest of my ideas
private, he messaged me and told me that he had written a paper on  "how to
create a conscious AI".  He changed the subject shortly after that.  Then
after talking for several hours, getting my mood elevated, setting the
atmosphere, etc.  He said he would share his paper with me if I signed a
Non-Disclosure Agreement.  One business tactic (a nasty one) is to get
someone to sign one of these agreements and then give them in return your
"ideas" which are exactly the same as the other person's ideas who was going
to compete with you.  But now they can't use those ideas because it would be
against the NDA.  You might not have a case in court, but they will spend
hundreds of thousands of dollars defending it.  Mike Rose knows almost
nothing about AI, and certainly not enough to warrant an NDA.  Someone of
his business caliber should know better.
I'll quote him:
"maybe i'll show that to you sometime
not without an nda though
it's too cool and possibly original
though i know nothing of ai research"


5) One person I know did some digging and found out that Mike Rose is an
alias for Michael D. Rosenthal.  I've had some experiences with scam artists
when I was younger and more gullible, and they often use aliases such as
this.
There is also evidence of this if you go to http://www.intuitiveiq.com and
"View Source" and search for "Rosenthal", which links to a
"michaelrosenthal" folder.

6) Another person pointed out to me that his Intuitive IQ philosophy, which
he is selling here http://www.intuitiveiq.com/intuitiveiq.htm, is pretty
much extremely similar to the ideas from another speaker, Edie Raether.
http://www.keynoteresource.com/article5EdieRaether.html


7) Mike also runs an Executive Consulting business described at
intuitiveiq.com, which essentially means that he gets paid to give other
people ideas.



Now this is fine and all, and I like to give people the benefit of the
doubt.  Mike and I have been having honest, nice chats for about 6 weeks,
and I have given him more than a good share of good ideas for him to use
however he wishes to.  As we were talking recently, we had been sharing
links related to similar websites that had been having the goal of creating
a better version of the "global brain" or better crowdsourcing methodology
for the world.  He responded with this:

------*BEGIN CHAT*------
Mike Rose
Mark, please keep sending the links because I'm very interested who is doing
what right now, but please also keep in mind that none of these people are
competitors, not even in the realm of being competitors with me, and not
with you either, as long as you do what I  mentioned and focus on what only
you can do.
I am doing with my life what no one else can do, fulfilling my unique
purpose, which no one else can fulfill. I'm not just saying this about
myself, my group and my website are based on the same concept, that each
person has unique intelligence to offer that no one else can.
Thus, I can assure you that I have no competition in life, and I personally
am not competitive with anyone else.
I'm simply delivering IIQ to the world.
How I do that is unique to iiq, just as my group is unique, or do you want
to start sending me links to groups "just like mine"?
If you can find one I will smile.

Have a good nice my friend, and remember, when we focus on our unique
talents and what we can only offer the world, we always succeed and we are
always fulfilled.

------*END CHAT*------

Since he had logged off, I thought I would make a post to his group,
answering his question, and following the group philosophy by engaging in
honest discussion about a serious issue, which was the issue of ethical
morality by crowdsourcing and the solutions we can come up with to find a
fair and balanced way to do so ethically while allowing the efficient flow
of ideas and in a way as to not to hinder the ecosystem of ideas in
society...


Here is the message I posted:

------*BEGIN MESSAGE*------
Mike and I have been looking into several other websites lately that have
similar goals to Intuitive IQ™ or any other projects that other members may
be working on that may be similar. This is so that we can all learn from
each other and take the best out of every system.

Per Mike's request, which states:
---
How I do that is unique to iiq, just as my group is unique, or do you want
to start sending me links to groups "just like mine"?
If you can find one I will smile.
---
I have found several websites which have similar goals but may not have the
exact thing.

1) http://www.vark.com/
First is a company that has been acquired by Google as of 2010. This is
called Aardvark, reached at www.vark.com. It is just a question answering
system where humans answer questions based on several "subject matter"
pieces of information that they choose in their profile which will match
users to questions based on the subject keywords that are in the profile,
combined with search technology.
Despite them having four Ph.Ds and a staff of 20 people, I didn't get the
feeling that their technology could provide the people to answer questions
in a way that gave me much useful information.

2) http://www.ledface.com/
This is a startup called ledface.com - This is basically a human search
engine that is anonymous. But I have some reservations about this system
working as it seems to have a few screws loose in this "global brain" they
are talking about, like sustainability and efficiency.

3) And this one will make you smile Mike, as it is not only similar to your
group but I think it is "just like yours" --
http://www.keynoteresource.com/article5EdieRaether.html
While it may not be a group, it underscores the fact that many of us may be
pursuing the same goals and may have...*different approaches* to leveraging
the other minds out there to pursue a common goal.

To Intuitive IQ members, how would you solve the problem of working together
for a common goal in the capitalist world that we have today? How do you
find the balance between trade secrets and crowdsourcing? What is the best
method to use the other minds that are out there to help us with our goals,
but still be able to profit from it? What if we could take the unheard
voices of millions of Americans, that do not have graduate degrees from Ivy
League schools, or those who are not CEOs of companies, or politicians, and
give them a modest amount of money in exchange for letting the big wigs turn
these ideas into global actions? Is this a good idea, or is it immoral?
Certainly if an idea is good, and put to use, it is for the better good?
Right? Right?

This is a very important topic and should be discussed. As it applies to
every single one of you who is reading this, and every single person who
shares ideas in todays world. There is a big industry in the trading of
ideas, and social collaboration. They have a term for it, "Crowdsourcing".
What is the best way to crowdsource and give people a fair share for their
efforts? Do the CEOs deserve more even if it is not their idea? I would
appreciate any efforts here toward an optimal solution to this world problem
that is very crucial.

------*END MESSAGE*------

I had posted this message as link #3 was the link that was believed to have
been plagiarized by Mike, but it still had a lot to do with the topic.  The
only thing that would cause him to delete the message would be that he does
not want his plagiarism exposed.  The rest of the message was well within
his goals for the group.  Prior to this I had been one of the most active
members and understood VERY well what he did and did not delete, and what he
did and didn't like.  Whether he deleted it or not would give me a good idea
of what was really going on here.

Not only did he delete the message, but started this conversation with me at
1:00 AM.   Keep in mind that prior to this he stated that "we connect on a
deep level" and "you are a good friend" was stated multiple times.  If this
had really been the case, it contradicts what is said below.

------*BEGIN CHAT*------

Mike Rose
what the fuck are you posting in my group bro?
are you nuts?


Mark Nuzzolilo
Whoa, whoa, slow down


Mike Rose
no fuck off hoas


Mark Nuzzolilo
what did I do?
hoas!


Mike Rose
i;'m with my gf on a sat


Mark Nuzzolilo
you better calm down your emotions and be careful what you say


Mike Rose
night
what i say?
how can you post quotes from me in a private chat?
now i'm supposes to be scared of you?
are you kidding me mark


Mark Nuzzolilo
What's going on?


Mike Rose
seriously?


Mark Nuzzolilo
oh wait, I know
This wouldn't have to do with link #3 would it?


Mike Rose
i didn't even read the whole thing


Mark Nuzzolilo
keep reading, it gets better


Mike Rose
i just saw quotes from a private chat with you posted in my group
not cool


Mark Nuzzolilo
and i dont recommend deleting it without making a very long and hard
deliberating decision making process about it first


Mike Rose
i already did


Mark Nuzzolilo
since its been emailed to everyone who has email settings turned on
oh man mike


Mike Rose
because i needed to read it first


Mark Nuzzolilo
I'm so disappointed


Mike Rose
you can't email to people
you're fucked bro
literally
there's nothing there


Mark Nuzzolilo
you just deleted proof that you are a plagiarist


Mike Rose
no one cares
dude you're nuts
and fucked


Mark Nuzzolilo
I believe they do, Mike Rose, or should I say Mike Rosenthal


Mike Rose
period
of course rose is my name i've used for 20 years you fuckign loser
you're fucked bro


Mark Nuzzolilo
what did I do?


Mike Rose
1) no one gives a fuck what punk kids like you do
got it
?
you are a talentless loser mark
just like your friends


Mark Nuzzolilo
Hey buddy, you're a punk compared to me, you don't know who I really am


Mike Rose
fuck off loser you're gone


Mark Nuzzolilo
a lot of those people on your group ive known for close to 10 years. how
long have you known them>?


Mike Rose
no one cares what you have to say
you're fucking NUTS
i'm the nicest guy just trying to help people
and everyone knows it bnut YOU
and your loser friendfs
FB will hear about this


Mark Nuzzolilo
I want an apology from you for calling me these names



Mike Rose
YOU ARE FUCKED LOSER
i am talking to rich powerful talented people every day
and this shit won't stand
SO FUCK OFF
only losers do shit like this


Mark Nuzzolilo
I'm friends with them too, probably for longer than you havbe been
you don't really know who I am buddy


Mike Rose
that';s why you live in a low life town with a bunch of crack heads
good luck faggot
seriously
 i wish you luck
against me
because i'm the real deal
a nice guy trying to help people


Mark Nuzzolilo
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.keynoteresource.com%2Farticle5EdieRaether.html&h=13502
explain that


Mike Rose
and you are just a jealous loser
i have never seen the links you are sending me
never


Mark Nuzzolilo
http://www.keynoteresource.com/article5EdieRaether.html


Mike Rose
NEVER


Mark Nuzzolilo
You can't trademark Intuitive IQ because of this
lawyers have already been consulted
so I recommend that you apologize and let me help you with this problem,
because I am not with Kelly and Jeremy and the rest of them, I was only
asking for peoples opinions to help a common problem that we both have
and you flip out on me
second, you deleted a post that proves plaigiarism
third, you called me a faggot, which I happen to be gay, and take very big
offense to that. and you're threatening FB on me?


Mike Rose
you are a fucking loser mark
fuck off faggot
have a nice life loser
bye!


Mark Nuzzolilo
you're insane
and a hypocrite


------*END CHAT*------



A "good" friend would not react like this and block me simply for quoting
something he said that really was of no real value.  He was angry that I
posted the link that he stole, and realized at that point that I was not
going to give him any intellectual property, but due to his ego does a bad
job of hiding it.  He is stealing intellectual property from the
Singularitarian circle, which is contradictory to the beliefs of
Singularitarianism, Transhumanism, Humanity+, or whatever you wish to call
it.  I want to iterate that this is *not* about a personal feud I have with
this guy, since I suspected he was fake from the beginning but didn't have
enough evidence until now to say anything.

Please take heed of these warnings and avoid Mike Rose at all cost.  I take
great risk posting all of this in public, because if people do not pay
attention, not only will he get away with this, but others like him will
learn from these mistakes on how to do a better job of conning people.

If you need a list of other people who can verify all of this, feel free to
contact me.  Please add your comments as well if you have had a run-in with
him.  We can't let this continue in our community.

Mark Nuzzolilo


P.S. I'm copying a link to this post so it can be more likely found by
Google searchers.
http://www.mindfluxproductions.com/mark/IntuitiveIQWarning.txt



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