Again a quick thought - but "definition" is (it follows from what I've been saying) a v. unproductive way to think about these things.
"Define the map of Italy". The best "definition" of the map is the map itself. How do you go about one of the simplest episodes - let's say reaching for a cup. Is that controlled by a definition, or a logical set of properties? I would hypothesize that it's directed by a fluid *outline*/map of grasping for a cup - a fluid outline which is directly matched to (and convertible into) the outlines of the relevant body actions. Schematic/iconic/diagrammatic thinking is key here. From: Piaget Modeler Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2012 2:48 PM To: AGI Subject: RE: [agi] Episodes What I was looking for was a definition, which you were providing. If you're saying that things can't be defined, modeled or characterized then that is an unreasonable position. I think we were doing pretty well just now. Your feedback was helpful for my model of episodes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [agi] Episodes Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:45:09 +0100 Dunno what you mean. I suspect you're still trying to do this logically - in some form of logical sequence. The "terrifying" thing is the brain does it imaginatively - by storing and editing image sequences - terrifying because it requires still technically awesome powers. What any logical approach to a sequence can't do is "fill in the gaps" in examining an episode. From: Piaget Modeler Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2012 10:16 PM To: AGI Subject: RE: [agi] Episodes I'll skip the sex imagery, but your point is taken. It appears that from moment to moment we match memory to stimuli to predict what happens next. So at any moment we receive stimuli. That's the trigger. Let's rewrite our concept then: Episode(stimuli, series) Do we need anything else, of course there is a process which maps the stimuli to the episodes. And perhaps another process that is constantly forming episodes every moment... What next... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [agi] Episodes Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:05:26 +0100 PM:Now we just need to know, given a multi-modal stimulus stream, when the triggers occur Again a quick thought, but the remarkable thing about the brain is that it can reconstruct a sequence - in principle - from almost any point. Think of an image of two people's clothes on the floor by a bed, or two people lying in bed after sex ... no problems to construct what comes after, or what went before. This works spatially too - classically via metonymy. Shoes under a curtain immediately denote someone standing behind it. The brain remembers sequences temporal and spatial v. well. Play any tune at random on my ipod and at the end I can't help remembering what comes next. Ditto an urge - a rumbling tummy - can immediately prompt the subsequent solution - say you at the fridge scoffing. So virtually anything can be a temporal or spatial trigger.,I guess From: Piaget Modeler Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 3:03 AM To: AGI Subject: RE: [agi] Episodes Read the cliff notes: So, thus far we have an episode as follows: Episode(trigger, series) where trigger is a core memory that caused the episode, and series is a subsequent action sequence. Now we just need to know, given a multi-modal stimulus stream, when the triggers occur. Interesting.... AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
