Bumpin for Ben :) On Sep 24, 2012, at 20:50, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote:
> There is code in the Launchpad repo that can be downloaded, built and > run.... However, it's really only useful for developers now. We will > let y'all know when there's an OpenCog controlled agent that is fun to > watch or play with... > > ben > > On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 8:44 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> wrote: >> sorry if this has been asked and answered above... I was looking >> around opencog documentation last week, checking it out. Is there >> anything that I can download and run yet? I recall looking but it not >> really coming up with anything. >> Mike A >> >> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 2:25 PM, Matt Mahoney <[email protected]> >> wrote: >>> On Mon, Sep 24, 2012 at 12:01 PM, Ben Goertzel <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> A description of Ruiting Lian's current NLP development work, in the >>>> OpenCog HK team, is here: >>>> >>>> http://wiki.opencog.org/w/Link2Atom >>> >>> Thanks. I was not aware of this. However, it would be nice if the >>> rules for mapping link parses to atom sets didn't have to learned from >>> a manually created set of pairs. If you have to create this data, >>> you'll probably end up coding the rules directly because it's faster. >>> >>> But there really needs to be an algorithm for learning language just >>> from lots of raw text. I know it's possible because we all do it. >>> >>>>> There are several people working on development, but like any large >>>>> software project, a lot of the work is bogged down on fixing bugs, >>>>> porting issues, and updating the documentation. >>>> >>>> That's not really true at all, I'm sorry you have that false >>>> impression ;p .... OpenCog work is difficult and can be slow, but a >>>> small minority of the developers' time is spent on the things you >>>> mention. I would prefer if you would stop making statements like >>>> that; you're not part of the OpenCog development team and you really >>>> don't know what's going on in that context !! >>> >>> I guess my impression was biased by the number of emails along the >>> lines of "Help! I tried to build OpenCog and got all these errors...". >>> I guess when things go right, they don't say anything. >>> >>>>> There has been some discussion of making a distributed >>>>> version of AtomSpace but IMHO there are going to be severe performance >>>>> problems that make scaling to large numbers of processors impractical. >>>> >>>> Can you provide detailed technical reasons for this opinion, based on a >>>> specific >>>> critique of the proposed design for a distributed Atomspace, which is >>>> described >>>> in the PDF attached to the following wiki page? : >>>> >>>> http://wiki.opencog.org/w/DistributedAtomspace >>>> >>>> Concrete criticisms on your part might help us improve the design. >>>> >>>> General criticisms as you've made, are not very useful. >>> >>> Again, my impression was from discussion of performance issues on the >>> OpenCog list. Can you really tolerate 1/2 second delays or even 1 >>> microsecond delays for what would just be a memory-read on a single >>> processor? Also, how would you measure performance? What is your test >>> application? >>> >>> As you know, I would divide up the work differently. I have a >>> different view of AGI. It is not single human level intelligence that >>> you have to compete with, but large organizations of people. I would >>> divide the work by giving each processor a highly specialized task and >>> having them communicate over the internet by routing messages in >>> natural language text. Each peer would have a small vocabulary and >>> only understand messages that were relevant to it. It is not just the >>> processing that is distributed, but also the software development, >>> administration, policy, and meta data or indexing (X knows that Y >>> knows about Z). Because the task is huge, you need to bring in lots of >>> people and give them an economic incentive to join the project, so >>> that you mutually benefit from their work. Because you may not trust >>> everyone on the internet, you need a protocol with cryptographic key >>> exchange and signing so that intruders can't forge messages from >>> trusted peers. (I am sure you saw this before: >>> http://mattmahoney.net/agi2.html ). >>> >>> So I would say with OpenCog, keep it on a single processor and divide >>> the work at a high level. Depending on the task, AtomSpace might not >>> be the most efficient implementation. I realize that AtomSpace is >>> designed to be very general form of knowledge representation, and that >>> producing lots of specialized algorithms for specialized tasks is far >>> more complex. Yes it is. Also, I realize it is more fun to work on AGI >>> as a whole than to be part of a large, loosely coupled, organization >>> that is building AGI while you work on some tiny narrow-AI part of it. >>> Yes, that's how it is to work for a big company too. And it would be >>> nice to be CEO of this company, but you can't because this >>> organization has nobody in charge. >>> >>> >>> -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> AGI >>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae >>> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/212726-11ac2389 >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > http://goertzel.org > > "My humanity is a constant self-overcoming" -- Friedrich Nietzsche > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/22240042-32af3243 > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
