On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote:
> No one here has agreed with any part of this - and I have discussed every > part to some extent. The only possible exception, from memory, is that you > do refer somewhere in your writings to improvisation. > There is a difference between creativity and mature creativity. The overwhelming majority of babies are able to learn to make marks on paper but that does not mean that the marks represent art that should be hung on museum walls for posterity. I think AGI has to be creative in order to solve problems in reasoning; however, creativity alone is not sufficient to produce artificial intelligence. I am looking for the secrets of intelligent creativity. It is fairly easy to make computer programs that will be 'creative' that, for example, will create novel abstract images on the screen or which will turn photographs into original art works using a certain range of styles but it is more difficult to write a program that would, for example, be able to discuss what it is doing and modify its style on the basis of a discussion. One of the characteristics of conventional thinking is dogmatism. Conventional thinking is not conformist because there will always be some sub-groups which a thinker, even a conventional thinker, will challenge. Jim Bromer On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote: > No one here has agreed with any part of this - and I have discussed every > part to some extent. The only possible exception, from memory, is that you > do refer somewhere in your writings to improvisation. > > But there is nothing AFAIK in Opencog that improvises. > > I don't think you can improvise BTW without fluid schemas/ outlines/ > concepts directing embodied action. That is another new part of the > approach. And you have completely disagreed with this - which is absolutely > fundamental to AGI. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- From: Ben Goertzel > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 11:25 AM > To: AGI > Subject: Re: [agi] Does Siri + Watson = AGI ? > > > AGI is the prosecution of *idea-based, *one-step-at-a-time, improvised, * >> adventurous, *patchwork new courses of action. Creative new, >> "ill-structured"/ *free thought and action. In the real world. >> >> > yah... thing is, pretty much everyone on this list agrees with you, on > the level of this kind of crude, verbally-formulated philosophy... > > And many of us have approaches we think will ultimately be able to > achieve this, which you dismiss because you don't understand the > technical details, and the language we use to describe our work > doesn't happen to push your emotional buttons ;-/ ... > > ben > > > ------------------------------**------------- > AGI > Archives: > https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/rss/303/** > 6952829-59a2eca5<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/**member/?&;<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > > ------------------------------**------------- > AGI > Archives: > https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/303/=now<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/**member/archive/rss/303/** > 10561250-164650b2<https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10561250-164650b2> > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/** > member/?&id_**secret=10561250-2cb1ec2f<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
