On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote:
The problem of AGI is that of multiformity/novel transformations - we are
always faced with different objects/scenes where there may be no common
configurations of common elements


But you would be unable to recognize an object in some situations if the
context was too complex for you to do so.  Your criticism can be traced
directly to complexity.  Computer AGI is unsophisticated compared to human
beings. Once you examine your criticisms from a reasonable point of view
they become exceedingly mundane. AGI doesn't work very well.  I think most
of us realized that before we heard your criticisms.

Jim Bromer






On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 4:58 PM, Mike Tintner <[email protected]>wrote:

>   PM,
>
> You have to identify the **elements** or “monads” pace you that are common
> to those chairs – or just begin to identify *one* element common to them.
> [No, a complete analysis is not expected]. You haven’t done this. And these
> figures are not hard to analyse.
>
> Supplying me with a long architecture or analysis of your system does not
> address that problem in any way at all. There is nothing in what you have
> written that addresses: what are the elements common to the different
> examples of a concept/ chair, or a visual object, (or scene, or text
> anything else). You just **presuppose** that you can analyse them without
> the slightest attempt at a demonstration/instantiation..
>
> The problem of AGI is that of multiformity/novel transformations -  we are
> always faced with different objects/scenes where there may be no common
> configurations of common elements – where each example can be considered as
> a creative, novel transformation of the last – (see those chairs again) -
> and yet the brain has done what no AI system or technology has achieved,
> and found a way to classify them together. You’re not addressing that.
> Neither AFAIK is anyone else.
>
>
>
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