Aaron> I like the emails because they're easier on my phone. I don't always have a computer >handy, and trying to type into a teeny text box on a webpage on my phone would probably be >more pain than it's worth. I do like the idea of a forum better when I'm not restricted to my phone, >though.
John>The problem with some forums and hybrids is the creepage of extraneous eye >candy and advertisements that distract without enriching. That's the key. >Simplistic yet enabling. Some of us want to communicate with newer media >mechanisms. There are no ads in the basic PHPBB, it's clean. http://twenkid.com/img/agi-forum640.jpg Aaron, why should you write on the tiny screen immediately, you may do it once you have a more convenient device at hand. That way you could consider your comment better, too. I think another reason for the usage of this medium is the negligible amount of active users and the limited amount of topics - they can't fill a well developed forum with many categories. If there was a decent amount of users and variety of topics covered, the emails would have exploded. I did a quick & dirty statistics recently, for example this month up to a few days ago, the users were: *95 messages in total* hosford [19] ben [16] goertzel [16] tintner [14] blueyonder [14] [52%] ... *Three users made 52% of the activity* piagetmodeler [11] jimbromer [10] [73%] twenkid [8] [82%] *Six users = 82 %* ... generic [5] intelligence [5] abramdemski [3] justcamel [2] [90/95] =* 95%* * Nine users = 95%* *[I haven't counted the number of threads]* *...* surow [1] attglobal [1] steve [1] richfield [1] amara [1] kurzweilai [1] identi [1] agrimes [1] speakeasy [1] sokratis dk [1] [1] nuzz [1] *[16 users in total]* *For October it's a bit better after the first 55%, generated by just 4 users:* 389 1 tintner [74] 74 74 0,1902313625 2 hosford [52] 52 126 0,323907455 3 jimbromer [45] 45 171 0,4395886889 4 piagetmodeler [44] 44 215 0,5526992288 5 ben [24] 24 239 0,6143958869 6 jazzbox [19] 19 258 0,6632390746 7 johnrose [17] 17 275 0,706940874 8 steve [15] 15 290 0,7455012853 9 agrimes [10] 10 300 0,7712082262 10 twenkid [9] 9 309 0,794344473 11 wallace [7] 7 316 0,8123393316 12 surow [5] 5 321 0,8251928021 13 clarkd [5] 5 326 0,8380462725 14 intelligence [4] 4 330 0,8483290488 15 juno [4] 4 334 0,8586118252 In February: 2/2012, 145 mattmahoneyfl [24] tintner [20] blueyonder [20] [44] jimbromer [15] [59] tim [11] tt [11] [70] agrimes [11] speakeasy [11] [81] == 56% .... brilanon [8] [89] sokratis [7] [96] twenkid [5] [101] jazzbox [5] [106] johnrose [5] [111] mentifex [4] [115] == 79% So, even in those "better" distributions 4-5 users make > 50% and ~10 users make 80%. ** Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov ** * -- Twenkid Research:* http://research.twenkid.com -- *Self-Improving General Intelligence Conference*: http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2012/07/news-sigi-2012-1-first-sigi-agi.html *-- Todor Arnaudov's Researches Blog**: *http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Todor Arnaudov <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Ben, > > > Email lists are nice because they're better at nudging folks > >to participate, by making messages intrusively land in their inbox... > > IMO the email-list convenience is a made-up excuse for bad habits and > laziness - some may claim that they use dial-up Internet via 33.6 ISA modem > with IE3 on a 486DX 133, that's why they prefer emails. > > IMHO any forum is more convenient, especially for reading and for > following particular fields of interests, and also it's not true > that receiving all the messages in your mailbox is strictly desirable - > sometimes there's a lot of spam, I myself unsubscribed a long time ago. > > Every forum has subscriptions for notifications on the email for answers > (I guess also new topics) (e.g. PhpBB), one can follow a thread or a > category etc. (and receive notifications only for what he cares about). > > ... > As of sending through the email - what's that harder about a forum? Login > once, keep logged in if lazy, one or a few clicks on a topic, "reply" etc. > Put an icon of the forum in your start-page of the browser, make the page > to start with your browser (or one of your browsers) - and you won't forget > to check it, if that's the issue. > > Besides, a lot of the communication here is like in a chat - a few lines, > the ones who make more efforts are often ignored or answered in a few lines > - there are probably supposed to be crazy to write that much. > > *IMHO the "inconvenience" of a forum is just an excuse for a very low > commitment or interest.* > > You know, I've created an AGI forum with carefully designed categories*more > than an year ago > *, there are even multi-language categories and categories for different > level of expertise. I have mentioned it here several times - the > interest is close to 0, a few fellow Bulgarian AGI-guys joined, I've used > it a few times, but no body else uses it actively and I stopped posting > there, too. > > *Scalable Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) Forum - Self-Improving > General Intelligence (SIGI) > > * > *-- Independent Scalable AGI and SIGI Society Forum - Created & > Maintained by Todor Arnaudov (Alpha Version) > > * > http://research.twenkid.com/forum/index.php > > There are neither people, nor interest, and it's about lack of commitment > and no real interest in AGI, people care for their boring university > courses, jobs etc. > > Otherwise if it's technically hard for the AGI guys to use a forum (and > that's their excuse for not using it) - well, perhaps that's the reason > why many of them still believe intelligence is a mystery. > > ** Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov ** > * > ... Twenkid Research:* http://research.twenkid.com > > ... *Self-Improving General Intelligence Conference*: > http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2012/07/news-sigi-2012-1-first-sigi-agi.html > > ... * Todor Arnaudov's Researches Blog**: * > http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com > > > > -- ** Todor "Tosh" Arnaudov ** * -- Twenkid Research:* http://research.twenkid.com -- *Self-Improving General Intelligence Conference*: http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com/2012/07/news-sigi-2012-1-first-sigi-agi.html *-- Todor Arnaudov's Researches Blog**: *http://artificial-mind.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-c97d2393 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-2484a968 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
