> > Neither Ben nor anyone else in AGI is directly addressing the problem of > a take-off system – or indeed has a clue – wh. is why you can immediately > write off Opencog and other such efforts. They have absolutely nothing to > do with AGI/ take-off – wh. is also why Ben et al have always resisted any > form of test – they always have and always will fail any test of > take-off/generality. (It’s not just me BTW – many have remarked that Ben > et al’s “magic sauce” is not there – not even the idea of one) > >
The idea that a "magic sauce" is needed for AGI is a mystical delusion, redolent of vitalism in biology... The statement that I resist any form of test is a bald-faced lie. I don't think that testing a completed human-level AGI is a particularly hard problem, and I think it's a useful thing to do. The Turing Test is an OK one (if it does on for an hour or more), or the test of having a robot pass the third grade, etc. etc. I am skeptical of quantitative metrics for early-stage partial progress toward human-level AGI, because I haven't yet seen any that aren't either -- requiring a system already 80% of the way to human-level AGI -- too easily game-able by narrow-AI systems written especially to pass the test ... The magic of general intelligence is simply this: A pattern recognition system that can recognize patterns in its environment and *itself*, including patterns regarding which actions tend to achieve which objectives in which contexts. The challenge of general intelligence is: Recognizing a sufficient scope of patterns, within a relevant and broad set of contexts, within the limited compute resources available.... Meeting this challenge seems, so far as I can tell, to require a fairly complex and multifaceted software system with interdependent parts; which makes building AGI a major engineering and algorithmic challenge. That's not as romantic as daydreaming about some "magic sauce" that you can just pour into your robot's head to make its wiring or its software get smart -- but it's the reality... -- Ben G ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
