> > [C] doesn't support recursion, or return arguments. > my programming style requires both those.
C certainly supports both of those. I'm not sure why you would think it doesn't. when I was using python, I was only met with frustration, and constant > searching through annals of libraries, much as with Java. As with any programming language, that goes away after the initial familiarization period. On Tue, Jan 1, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Aaron Hosford <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Logan, >> >> Why not use C? >> > > doesn't support recursion, or return arguments. > my programming style requires both those. > > >> It's highly portable, and it's easier to read, understand, write, and >> modify. Assembly isn't comparably faster enough to justify the >> significantly greater time it takes to write it, and you can always >> optimize important loops to assembly later. >> > > It's easier for me to read understand, write and modify, only 16 functions > hey it's a breeze :-). > > > >> >> I'm using Python for the prototyping language for my own projects. >> > > 8-| boggle eyes, I don't know how you manage. > > >> Python is specifically tailored for clarity and rapid development, so I >> can focus on my ideas instead of how to effectively use the language. >> > > Really? when I was using python, I was only met with frustration, and > constant searching through annals of libraries, much as with Java. > Haskell kinda broke down once project got too big, > or rather required things easier with mutable variables. > > >> I can easily port key parts of it to C or even assembly later on should >> efficiency become a problem. The time savings I gain from being able to >> rapidly test ideas and try out new approaches is invaluable. I can write or >> rewrite an entire system from scratch in mere days instead of months or >> even years, so my only slowdowns come from actually thinking about the >> design, rather than coding. >> > > I can say all the same things for assembly. > Coding is really the smallest part of what I do. > my changelog is almost twice the size of my sourcecode, > it's where I discuss various project ideas in print. > > I think a lot of it has to do with how you use it. > Like C and c++ with all their types and checks, > it's just a big headache like I dono can't deal with limits, > I like freedom, being able to do what I want, how I want. > > Like I'm willing to dig through the libraries of some high level language, > if I want to make a bugfix to some open source project I'd like to make > function on my computer. > Or if some task specific language is available, like PHP for making > websites. > > Though for the task at hand, i.e. making HSPL, assembly is the best. > Since I use register-machine assembly, mostly I just write the algorithm, > load variables, and call functions then return, it's very simple, and > little coding. no try catch loops or odd throws. > > GDB is completely satisfying for debugging purposes. > > > >> >> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 5:09 PM, Logan Streondj <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hey I'm just offering you support to do some real coding. >>> It's good to get the ideas into something more tangible like programs. >>> >>> If you find that after whichever period of time you aren't getting much >>> anywhere with your chosen route, perhaps you'll choose to contribute to >>> another AGI project, perhaps my own. >>> >>> I did a version release today, now have support for primitive variables >>> :-). By next version release quite possibly will be able to do factorial >>> or some other simple procedures. >>> And likely by next year will have English grammar, >>> allowing for easier verification by others with smaller learning curve. >>> >>> I'm programming in Assembly, but it is quite simple, >>> only 16 assembly commands used, all register-machine, >>> makes it easy to port and that kinda stuff. >>> >>> You would certainly have the capacity to improve upon current AGI >>> programs, can look at the current roadmap and see where your ideas might >>> fit in >>> https://sourceforge.net/p/rpoku/code/ci/dc0d7886965d5cab645a4d5a220391b316c7c388/tree/roadmap.txt?format=raw >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> The most important case would be the one where it does show some >>>> capability of learning a crude simplistic language but where it either >>>> lacks subtlety or where it shows a wide variation of depth. In some cases, >>>> for example, it might seem to be working but then it just cannot continue >>>> to learn new things about a particular subject or where other subjects >>>> which are comparably as easy seem to be totally beyond it. This is along >>>> the lines of how other AI projects have fared. Let's say that my project >>>> did turn out like this. Then in order to show that it was a valid concept >>>> I would have to advance the program so that it was able to go further than >>>> it had. The thing is that although the various AI methods are able to do >>>> some tasks better than others they all fail at a level below what we need >>>> to see in order to compare them to children. So being human like is not >>>> the immediate goal, and being really smart is not the immediate goal. But I >>>> would need to show that I could improve on contemporary AGI programs in >>>> order to demonstrate that my ideas were workable and since my program would >>>> be limited I would need to show that some improvements could be made to my >>>> program. >>>> >>>> Jim Bromer >>>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> | >>>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>>> >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >>> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> | >>> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >>> <http://www.listbox.com> >>> >> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
