Saying something is meta doesn't change its nature. A meta goal is still a goal. It doesn't matter what the most convenient way is to implement something, or how it's implemented in the brain; it's still behavioral preference, goal-directed behavior.
On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 11:27 AM, Boris Kazachenko <[email protected]>wrote: > ** > > Curiosity is a goal-driven behavior. The goal is to acquire more > information about the environment. > > > It's a criterion, which is a meta-goal. Goals are empirically specific, > for curiosity they would concrete subjects of research. My point stands, - > intelligence has a built-in motivation that can drive behavior. > > > It's actually an evolutionarily hardwired subgoal of our other goals, > since more information is usually pretty handy for a big brain to use when > it comes time to seek other goals. > > > It's hardwired in the cortex, which evolutionarily recent area, thus > initially instrumental to older areas. All acquired motives start as > instrumental (as in "instrumental conditioning"), but can become stronger > than prior / innate / "terminal" motives if their instrumental value is > broad enough. Instincts are / were instrumental too (for reproduction), but > in a very narrow way. I don't think manufacturing ever-greater amounts of > your DNA is you goal anymore, right? Human motivation is fluid, & would be > even more fluid if it weren't for our stupid constraints. > > > > *From:* Aaron Hosford <[email protected]> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:39 AM > *To:* AGI <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [agi] Robots and Slavery > > Curiosity is a goal-driven behavior. The goal is to acquire more > information about the environment. It's actually an evolutionarily > hardwired subgoal of our other goals, since more information is usually > pretty handy for a big brain to use when it comes time to seek other goals. > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Boris Kazachenko <[email protected]>wrote: > >> ** >> Aaron, >> >> >> Intelligence is necessary to implement complex behavior, but it is not >> sufficient. There must be goal-directedness built into the system, either >> through explicit goals in the form of goal states and search heuristics, >> implicit goals in the form of chained reward signals, or some hybrid or >> alternative. Otherwise, your super-intelligent robot is just going to sit >> there, potentially observing and understanding everything but doing nothing >> whatsoever about it. >> >> >> Not true, behavior can by driven by pure curiosity: search for additively >> predictive patterns, which is what intelligence all about. Think of >> Einstein's "holy curiosity". >> Human motivation consists of three incrementally advanced subsystems: >> instincts, conditioning / RL, & pure curiosity: unsupervised >> learning. Shifting balance of power between these subsystems determines our >> "identity". Instincts is biological crap, conditioning is relatively >> very crude / obsolete, only pure curiosity will have any meaning once we >> outgrow our bodies: >> >> >> http://cognitive-focus.blogspot.com/2012/06/motivation-evolution-of-value.html >> >> >> Motivation is mental mechanisms that drive our behavior, including >> cognitive behavior: introspection, analysis, & planning for somatic >> behavior. Values/ motives in humans & higher animals can be divided into >> three broad categories, according to the mechanism that formed or selected >> them: >> >> Evolution selects instincts fit for their own propagation, innate but >> subsequently modulated by usage, Conditioning value-charges stimuli >> coincident with previously value-loaded stimuli in time or space, Cognitive >> curiosity searches / selects for predictive patterns, even if they >> consist of value-free stimuli. >> >> Higher mechanisms accelerate adaptive value acquisition by acting on >> increasingly mediated responses: from immediate behavioral reactions to >> longer-term attention, prediction, & planning. >> Brain areas that implement these value-acquisition mechanisms likely >> evolved in the same sequence: >> >> Instincts, largely physiological & traceable to 4Fs, are encoded mainly >> in >> >> *brainstem* <http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3300679325320839673>& >> *hypothalamus*<http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3300679325320839673>. >> Conditioning is initiated by *basal >> ganglia*<http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3300679325320839673>& >> *limbic system*<http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3300679325320839673>, >> then extended & generalized by neocortex. Predictive curiosity is an innate >> driver of neocortex, which is also heavily modulated by lower motives. >> >> This scheme is vaguely similar to *triune brain >> model*<http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3300679325320839673>, >> but in my interpretation these substrates differ mainly in the mechanism by >> which they acquire values, rather than in resulting & relatively transient >> motives themselves. These value acquisition mechanisms are innate, but >> their relative strength varies. >> >> Our instincts are pretty basic & similar to those of other mammals. An >> excellent account of that level of motivation is Jaak Panksepp‘s >> *“Archaeology >> of Mind: Neuroevolutionary Origins of Human >> Emotions“*<http://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=3300679325320839673>. >> The discussion below is mostly on conditioning & cognition: increasingly >> adaptive mechanisms which seem to strengthen with our personal growth... >> until it hits harsh constraints of biological life cycle... >> >> >> >> *http://www.cognitivealgorithm.info/2012/01/cognitive-algorithm.html*<http://www.cognitivealgorithm.info/2012/01/cognitive-algorithm.html> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18407320-d9907b69> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
