Steve, No I haven't. Where can I find it? Jim On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Steve Richfield <[email protected] > wrote:
> Jim, > > Have you looked at my placement/payload view of grammar and semantics? > > Note that the job of people who edit is to improve grammar and simplicity > of expression. The mere presence of such people is an indictment of > well-structured grammar. > > Steve > ================== > On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 7:16 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I like Hausser’s system but it does not solve the kinds of problems that >> I need to solve. His left associative system with the pointer or >> address to other parts of associated speech certainly seem more sensible >> then the grammars that use a method of direct substitution to determine >> whether the formation of a sentence is grammatical. But I am more >> interested in the meaning of sentences and I believe that there is too much >> that the theories of elementary formal grammar have not solved. I >> haven’t finished the paper that Hausser sent but I will get back to it in a >> few weeks. >> >> >> >> I believe that the initial interpretation of sentences partly relies on >> the meaning and roles of words that can be learned but which are not >> necessarily found from within a strict partitioning of the constituents and >> elements and fundamental systems of the grammar. So, just as Hausser’s >> grammar seems a little more sensible than the strictly substitutional >> generative grammars, I believe that we need to find a way to combine more >> from semantics into the initial stages of recognition. These >> rules should be largely associative and could be expressed as >> substitutions, but they may not be found from a conventional analyses of >> how these fundamental systems may be generated. So the most >> unconstrained system of formal generative grammar might be needed to >> express the range of human language but once the grammatical sentences of >> the language were found it might turn out that they can be expressed by >> simpler systems. The conclusion of my thought on this would be to say >> that we need a greater freedom to discover the relationships between words >> and phrases to discover how words are used to govern the discovery of the >> meaning of the expressions. Words and phrases are used to convey ideas >> but they also convey the instructions on how to encode and decode the words >> and phrases of the expressions used. Formal generative grammar was an >> attempt to figure out how this is done but I think the study of the subject >> got a little sidetracked onto the problems of defining a computational >> system of what is ‘grammatical’ rather than what is that is to be >> understood. >> >> >> >> But Hausser has given us a little more freedom to use in our attempts to >> figure this problem out. >> >> Jim >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 5:00 PM, Piaget Modeler < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2013 10:43:26 +0100 >>> Subject: Re: Parsing Natural Language >>> From: Roland Hausser >>> To: [email protected] >>> >>> >>> Hello Mike, >>> >>> Thank you for your email and the comments by >>> Jim Bromer and Steve Richfield. They touch >>> on some very general issues which are difficult >>> to address specifically. Therefore I attach a >>> recent paper which appeared in >>> >>> Semantics in Data and Knowledge Bases: 5th International >>> Workshop SDKB 2011, Zürich, Switzerland, July 3, 2011, >>> Revised Selected Papers (LNCS 7693 >>> Applications, incl. Internet/Web, and HCI) [Paperback] >>> Klaus-Dieter Schewe (Editor), Bernhard Thalheim (Editor) >>> ISBN-10: 3642360076 >>> ISBN-13: 978-3642360077 >>> >>> The editors asked for an introduction to DBS, giving >>> me space. >>> >>> Please pass the .pdf on to those in your group who are >>> interested. Looking forward for to further reactions, >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> Roland >>> >>> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six > hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full > employment. > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10561250-470149cf> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
