PM, et al, The problem with #7, like #1-#6, is that it it provides no reference to mechanism, e.g. like defining an automobile as "something that moves you from one place to another", which would also fit a rickshaw, a rocket ship, or a camel.
I am looking for some description approaching the language of a patent claim, that in loose terms describes the internal operation of a mechanism that "understands". Once we get past that, then we can start looking at what sorts of tests it is likely to be able to pass. Steve =================== On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]>wrote: > I feel like I'm repeating myself: > > #7 - Understanding is learning a new language to the point of fluency. > (When the words in the new language activate your language > independent concepts, > and you have created sufficient behaviors so that you can > effortlessly generate > expressions in the new language). > > Even when the new language is a signed language. > > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [agi] Step One towards the real lingua franca of brain/AGI > Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 12:16:06 +0100 > > > Language by mouth and by hand > April 3rd, 2013 in Other Sciences / Social Sciences > > Humans favor speech as the primary means of linguistic communication. > Spoken languages are so common many think language and speech are one and > the same. But the prevalence of sign languages suggests otherwise. Not only > can Deaf communities generate language using manual gestures, but their > languages share some of their design and neural mechanisms with spoken > languages. > > New research by Northeastern University&#**39;s Prof. Iris Berent further > underscores the flexibility of human language and its robustness across > both spoken and signed channels of communication. > > In a paper published in PLOS ONE, Prof. Berent and her team show that > English speakers can learn to rapidly recognize key structures of American > Sign Language (ASL), despite no previous familiarity with this language. > > Like spoken languages, signed languages construct words from meaningless > syllables (akin to can-dy in English) and distinguish them from morphemes > (meaningful units, similar to the English can-s). The research group > examined whether non-signers might be able to discover this structure. > > In a series of experiments, Prof. Berent and her team (Amanda Dupuis, a > graduate student at Northeastern University, and Dr. Diane Brentari of the > University of Chicago) asked English speakers to identify syllables in > novel ASL signs. Results showed that these non-signing adults quickly > learned to identify the number of signed syllables (one vs. two), and they > could even distinguish syllables from morphemes. > > Remarkably, however, people did not act as indiscriminate general-purpose > learners. While they could easily learn to discern the structure of ASL > signs, they were unable to do so when presented with signs that were > equally complex, but violated the structure of ASL (as well as any known > human language). > > The results suggest that participants extended their linguistic knowledge > from spoken language to sign language. This finding is significant because > it shows that linguistic principles are abstract, and they can apply to > both speech and sign. Nonetheless, Dr. Berent explains, language is also > constrained, as not all linguistic principles are equally learnable. "Our > present results do not establish the origin of these limitations- whether > they only result from people's past experience with English, or from more > general design properties of the language system. But regardless of source, > language transcends speech, as people can extend their linguistic knowledge > to a new modality." > > Provided by Northeastern University > > "Language by mouth and by hand." April 3rd, 2013. http://phys.**org/news/* > *2013-04-language**-mouth.html<http://phys.org/news/2013-04-language-mouth.html> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-5cfde295> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full employment. ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
