Since I'm not allowed to post new threads in this mail list, I post this book here:
Probably Approximately Correct: Nature's Algorithms for Learning and Prospering in a Complex World [By Leslie Valiant] http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BE650IQ/ref=cm_sw_r_tw_ask_bQunF.0CDBG0V On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:14 PM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > > This is *half* about what I’ve been saying for years. > > AGI is about “CREATIVITY BY IDEAS” ... > > but do not tell it exactly what to do > > (thus saving billions of years of programming labour) > ------------------ > > > And we have been trying to tell you - for years - is that many of us have > recognized that creativity is necessary for AGI long before we ever read > anything by you. But, intelligence also requires rational methods of some > kind. The use of rational methods is not the same as "telling it exactly > what to do," or pre-programming it for every kind of particular situation > that the program could be expected to encounter. > > I really do not understand why this is so difficult for you to accept. > > We differ because I think that creativity and rationality are necessary > for genuine intelligence and you think that rationality has no place in > intelligence. And that explains why you are wrong. > > Jim Bromer > > > > > ------------------------------ > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [agi] AI startup Neurala > Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 19:46:41 +0100 > > This is *half* about what I’ve been saying for years. > > AGI is about “CREATIVITY BY IDEAS” as opposed to narrow AI “RATIONALITY > BY FORMULAE/ALGOS” > > you give your robot a brief GENERAL IDEA/OUTLINE of a complex course of > action: > > e.g. “GO TO THE KITCHEN”– or as here GO FIND BOB/THE OBJECT > > but do not tell it exactly what to do > > (thus saving billions of years of programming labour) > > - the total opposite of the narrow AI, TM approach – which is to provide a > FORMULA/ALGORITHM detailing a complete STEP-BY-STEP course of action > > and telling the robot exactly what to do > > (hugely expensive in programmers’ time) > > And the robot then improvises/creates a NEW, DIFFERENT course of action > for the first time (CREATIVE) > > - the complete opposite of narrow AI robots which iterate the SAME OLD > courses of action for the nth time (RATIONAL/ROUTINE) > > I’m pretty sure this project ain’t it, but like Brooks’ Baxter robot it > is moving a step closer to true AGI/ ACI (Artificial Creative > Intelligence) and the final destination is inevitable. > > All the GOFAI projects like Ben’s et al’s should wake up and smell the > GO TO THE KITCHEN coffee. > > *From:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2013 6:45 PM > *To:* AGI <[email protected]> > *Subject:* [agi] AI startup Neurala > > > > http://www.kurzweilai.net/neurala-to-turn-robots-into-adaptive-learning-beings > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-f5817f28> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23601136-98835e3f> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
