That recognizer would only be another version of the Forbin project - a "wise database." This represents a field-wide massive failure to understand the nature of intelligence. I repeat: nobody in the foreseeable future is going to produce a brain-in-the-box that can be *creative about *anything* - the simplest thing, like what do you do if one shoelace is torn? How can you put toy blocks on top of each other higgledy-piggledy, as an infant does, as opposed to brick wall style? Let alone any political, psychological, medical etc etc problem.
And real world intelligence is *embodied, *massively condensed, *imaginative (whereas symbols are merely labels on imaginative boxes).and *concept/idea-based. All these things : *creative *embodied *imaginative *condensed *concept/idea -based intelligence are wa-a-a-ay beyond present computers, and the opposite of TM computers. Simple robotic AGI - loosely mimicking the path of evolution - is the way to go. On 14 October 2013 19:43, Steve Richfield <[email protected]> wrote: > Mike, > > At last, we agree on SOMETHING. > > The world has FAR more than a million "monkeys" typing on their keyboards, > to stumble onto inductive solutions to every problem. The challenge is NOT > in finding the solutions to the world's problems. Instead, the challenge is > in getting enough "traction" to even have a decision maker see and > recognize a solution when one is proposed. > > What we REALLY need is an "AGI recognizer" that recognizes and catalogs > prospective solutions from the Internet. This would do FAR more than any > suggested AGI. > > Steve > > > On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 5:37 AM, tintner michael <[email protected] > > wrote: > >> It was ironic to see Steve mention the Forbin Project - I was thinking >> about that recently - though there may also have been another movie at the >> time with the same idea, if anyone can remember. >> >> The central idea of the AGI database genius - the computer that's going >> to solve the problems of the world (for good or bad) - has probably shaped >> AGI-ers' thinking more than any other. >> >> This wonderful little box is going to reason with extreme wisdom and >> come up with brilliant solutions to everything. >> >> It's cobblers, total cobblers. No bodiless brain is going to come up with >> a *single* new idea about anything - will even be able to work out how to >> pick up toy bricks scattered on the floor - a really fundamental but fairly >> simple problem for the infant brick-builder. And as for reasoning say about >> the current US legislature impasse, say .... Total madness. Total >> disconnect from the reality of how every field of knowledge grows.. >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > > > -- > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six > hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full > employment. > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
