"Mike ever really care to explain why an algorithm shouldn't be able to show creativity? Creativity is the semi-randomly recombination of already known patterns with a certain (meta-)goal? How should that not be possible via an algorithm? Maybe we can just answer that question once and for all?"
An algo says [do] a + [do] b + [do] c = [to get] d A recipe says [take] a + [take] b + [take] c = [to make] d An algo is a fully specified and specific plan of action - a,b,c,d,e etc. . There is no potential in there for producing or dealing with a new element - for deriving let's say "~~~ " oer "£$" - altogether new symbol/ elements, (wh. I've just identified]. A recipe can't specify a new ingredient unknown to it - can't tell you whether the foods in that man's shopping bag, which you can't yet see,, will or will not fit with steak tartare, say. So, in answer to Steve's request, for my next post, I will tell you how you CAN produce new elements not from an algo [impossible} but from an "idea" - and what an "idea" is. . On 3 December 2013 14:08, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: > Did Mike ever really care to explain why an algorithm shouldn't be able to > show creativity? Creativity is the semi-randomly recombination of already > known patterns with a certain (meta-)goal? How should that not be possible > via an algorithm? Maybe we can just answer that question once and for all? > > We humans can not come up with anything genuinely new in terms of patterns > - right? I can not imagine a universe obeying different laws of natures > because I have no a priory knowledge about that system .... I can just > imagine weird stuff based on patterns that I already learned but I can not > just imagine genuinely different universe. So there is the limit of > creativity which humans as well as software will have to accept? > > > On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 2:29 PM, jay man <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Ben what is the best way to send you a PM, what is the email? Don't worry >> I'm not a troll,:). BTW, so spot on with Capt. James T. Kirk comment. >> >> www.livenda.com >> jay >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Ben Goertzel, PhD >> http://goertzel.org >> >> "In an insane world, the sane man must appear to be insane". -- Capt. >> James T. Kirk >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/15521057-fd0fbfbe> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> >> <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23508161-fa52c03c> | >> Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription >> <http://www.listbox.com> >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/6952829-59a2eca5> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
