Don't go.
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 04:47:43 -0500
Subject: [agi] Next Year?
From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
I am going to ban myself from the group for a year. There is such a fundamental
disconnect between what I am trying to tell you and what I hear you saying that
do not believe that there is a good reason for me to continue to try to
participate in this group. I do not like sounding so arrogant but I cannot
escape the conclusion that the rest of you have been incapable of understanding
what I have been trying to say. I do not think the rest of you are totally
clueless. However, I can't recall a single example where someone reacted in a
way that would suggest that he actually understood the main points of what I
was trying to say. And as a result, my ability to learn from you is almost
entirely negative. As I keep seeing the signs of this intellectual disconnect I
find it more difficult to ignore the conclusion that my perception of our
fundamental differences over the nature of intelligence and the best way to
create more genuine artificial intelligence must be real and substantial.
When I have read the writing of someone who acted like he knew something that
the rest of us did not, I would challenge him and say that if you know how to
do it then just do it. The problem is that I do not know all the answers that I
need. I do not know how to resolve all conceptual complexity or conceptual
integration. However, the main benefit that I am getting from these groups is
negative. When I see that someone is missing something that I am trying to tell
him about, I see those differences more starkly. However, there is a real
question whether I am learning something new when I am forced to find more
creative ways to get someone to think about this stuff or if the recognition
just helps refresh my memory. Something that seems trivially true because it is
so obvious can easily get lost. But I never really lost it.
The problem with dismissiveness is that we can understand something and even
see some implications of the knowledge without seeing the greater effectiveness
of the idea. (That is what you seem incapable of comprehending. The words
"idea" and "effective" have more than one application. It's like poetry maybe?
The problem is that the subtleties of the distinctions between programs of the
second kind and programs of the third kind are too consequential to ignore even
though they (probably) are purely conceptual constructs. You have to construct
artificial definitions to highlight those distinctions in order to see their
consequences in your own plans.)
Jim Bromer
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