People don't understand me often though sometimes that's a compliment J
Try expressing yourself differently. I'll be critical and this might be a problem with myself but when I read your sentences often by the time I get to the end of one I have to go back to the beginning because I forgot what was going on in the middle. I'm used to having that kind of action jam-packed in less words. Also though I know that people, especially me, really need to spend more time listening to what is said, instead of talking at, talk with. Reinvent yourself. Though when I read some various philosophers they do write in your style and they do have these longer sentences. Sorry for not paying attention more Jim. I think you do have something to say and perhaps it's been getting lost in the wind. John From: Jim Bromer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2014 4:48 AM To: AGI Subject: [agi] Next Year? I am going to ban myself from the group for a year. There is such a fundamental disconnect between what I am trying to tell you and what I hear you saying that do not believe that there is a good reason for me to continue to try to participate in this group. I do not like sounding so arrogant but I cannot escape the conclusion that the rest of you have been incapable of understanding what I have been trying to say. I do not think the rest of you are totally clueless. However, I can't recall a single example where someone reacted in a way that would suggest that he actually understood the main points of what I was trying to say. And as a result, my ability to learn from you is almost entirely negative. As I keep seeing the signs of this intellectual disconnect I find it more difficult to ignore the conclusion that my perception of our fundamental differences over the nature of intelligence and the best way to create more genuine artificial intelligence must be real and substantial. When I have read the writing of someone who acted like he knew something that the rest of us did not, I would challenge him and say that if you know how to do it then just do it. The problem is that I do not know all the answers that I need. I do not know how to resolve all conceptual complexity or conceptual integration. However, the main benefit that I am getting from these groups is negative. When I see that someone is missing something that I am trying to tell him about, I see those differences more starkly. However, there is a real question whether I am learning something new when I am forced to find more creative ways to get someone to think about this stuff or if the recognition just helps refresh my memory. Something that seems trivially true because it is so obvious can easily get lost. But I never really lost it. The problem with dismissiveness is that we can understand something and even see some implications of the knowledge without seeing the greater effectiveness of the idea. (That is what you seem incapable of comprehending. The words "idea" and "effective" have more than one application. It's like poetry maybe? The problem is that the subtleties of the distinctions between programs of the second kind and programs of the third kind are too consequential to ignore even though they (probably) are purely conceptual constructs. You have to construct artificial definitions to highlight those distinctions in order to see their consequences in your own plans.) Jim Bromer ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
