Will you guys get a grip? This is supposed to be an AGI list.
On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Azn A <[email protected]> wrote: > Camel, it's nice that you're caught up in one point of view or dogma and > wallow in negativity i.e "there are very intelligent people full of fears > and ego", and aren't willing to abandon your loathsome traits. Whatever > helps you sleep at night right? However, you'll be left behind, and > isolated from the rest of mankind, so that your weakness can’t contaminate > our purity in the new world order. As I said before, everything that lives > obeys. > > Here is the big picture: Automation WILL succeed in replacing about 80% of > the current workforce. All non-creative jobs have the possibility of being > replaced by machines in 10 years. We're looking at probably the biggest > economic change since the invention of agriculture. Maybe in human history, > period. We're in the transition stage at the moment. First, corporations > are using processes to conform job roles and remove human agency (choices, > options). Second, by removing agency, the corporate processes create > homogeneous performance. Third, once agency is removed and performance is > homogenized, it is an easy, logical next step to use machines to replace > workers. In the past, when human workers were displaced by technology it > also created new kinds of jobs that the world had never seen before. But > what happens when the day arrives when computers and robots can do almost > everything more cheaply and more efficiently than humans can? Maybe this: > http://www.strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/ As I have said before: the final > state of a system is determined entirely by its initial state and the dance > of incentives inside of it. > > This why without me you're all doomed. We have to prepare economically > for the transition when ANY automate-able job that does not demand HUMAN > interaction is replaced more cheaply and efficiently by a machine. This > will allow humans to direct their will to power inward and gain > self-mastery. With self-mastery you gain profound self-control and > spiritual depth, representing a more refined form of power than the power > gained by conquering barbarians. Capitalism, like any other economic model, > meets two fundamental economic needs of society: the need to motivate the > production of wealth, and the need to distribute the production of wealth. > Capitalism meets these needs through two mechanisms. It links work to pay, > and ownership to profit. As we increase the rate of technological > advancement, we displace workers and break the first of those two > mechanisms. But our system is not setup to motivate production or > distribute wealth effectively through the ownership/profit pairing, instead > counting almost entirely on the work/pay pairing, and so without a change > in our economic model, we cannot rely on the ownership/profit mechanism as > a fall back. > > While I'm no socialist, the only viable economic system for in an > automated system is a moderate form a socialism. Less hours worked, maybe > 20 or so to spread out existing jobs. A base wage provided by taxing > producers and a market approach that allows people to be rewarded for work > and education on top of the base wage. Aggregate demand would diminish and > it is hard to justify excessive profits to people who employ automation to > provide goods and services. Socialism doesn't work in a pure form because > it doesn't motivate education, efficiency or any form of extra effort. > Machines do not need motivation and keeping capitalist principles and > shorter workdays could keep the economy advancing. > > Through a (relatively) minor correction in our economic model from > publicly traded stocks to cooperatives -- a model which is already > represented in the current economy but not widely embraced -- we can move > from the unfortunate concentration of wealth to the egalitarian > redistribution of wealth without raising taxes or violating any of the > property rights we hold so dear as a culture -- i.e. without stealing from > anyone. The key principle which distinguishes cooperatives from publicly > traded stocks is that each person can hold at most one share in a company, > and each share has equal weight. This forces dividends and control to be > more evenly distributed, which counteracts the natural accumulation of > wealth and power under the current system. > > There would of course still plenty of room to amass wealth, but this would > be done through the building up of a private company and, optionally, the > subsequent public offering of cooperative shares -- a fundamentally > creative and productive act on the part of the founder of the company -- as > opposed to how wealth is currently amassed, by merely capturing assets and > using them to leverage the capture of additional assets, which is nothing > more than an empty exercise in strategizing which inappropriately favors > those who already have wealth, rather than those who actually earn it, in > the competition to acquire more wealth. > > Technology is the path to eliminating toil work and thus far fewer people > will be needed to the produce the consumable goods of society. Thus, to > ensure a new era of peace, love, and prosperity(before a super AGI takes > over) we need to broaden individual ownership of the productive capital > assets created in a growth economy and thus ensure that increasingly people > will earn fully-paid dividend income through their ownership shares. > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 8:36 AM, just camel <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You might be 20x smarter than I am yet you fail to realize that peace, >> love and prosperity have little to do with (what you refer to as) >> intelligence but with the quality of your consciousness. There are very >> intelligent people full of fears and ego and there are not so bright people >> who are way more empathic and loving than most people within the >> intellectual/academic world. Because of our culture and our belief traps >> there is little correlation between (what you refer to as) intelligence and >> the quality of consciousness to be found. >> >> >> On 04/08/2014 01:03 AM, Azn A wrote: >> >>> This is WHY I'm 20x smarter than you and lead the world into a new era >>> of peace, love, and prosperity :) >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> 10514698-9a8cda1e >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&id_ >> secret=10514698-e0e00078 <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/18407320-d9907b69> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
