There is no difference between an object and a situation, because a situation can be treated as an 'object' (of thought or otherwise be treated as object-like. And of course situations occur inside of situations. That is true even in traditional uses of the terms.
Jim Bromer On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 8:25 PM, Piaget Modeler via AGI <[email protected]>wrote: > Can one have situations inside situations? > > What's the difference between an object and a situation? > > Kindly advise. > > ~PM > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2014 16:50:24 -0600 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [agi] Situations > > > Greetings Telmo, > I've responded to your comments below. > Are you working on an ontology based AGI approach? > > Stan > > On 04/28/2014 02:30 PM, Telmo Menezes via AGI wrote: > > Hi Stanley, > > > On Mon, Apr 28, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Stanley Nilsen via AGI > <[email protected]>wrote: > > Hi PM, > > A few thoughts - > > One might try to come up with methods to generalize situations - put in > categories and sub categories and sub sub categories... This sounds > logical, but also terribly tedious. > > My alternative is to look at the world as sets of triggers. A trigger > initiates an action - maybe to assert a new fact. The new fact might then > trigger something else... > > > Ok, but I don't see how this removes the need for an ontology. > > As I understand it, there are several efforts to create massive ontology. > And, we can all see the "value" of it. The struggle is in finding the > mechanisms that can cash in on that value - the magic sauce? > > I focus on how to become more intelligent when you start at next to > nothing. What's the bootstrap look like? At what point does a computer > begin to build it's intelligence? And, what do the construction elements > resemble? > > It could be implicit or explicit, but you still have to be able to > make more and more distinctions between triggers or actions. I tell the AI > to book me a trip to Cambridge. What Cambridge, UK or USA? And then, to > book the ticket I have to know that Cambridge is a town, and that I already > know something about how to book travels into towns, and so on. > > > Software "assistants" are pretty popular now. I understand Microsoft is > planning one to compete with Siri. Maybe this is the way to the future. > Start out assisting and one day take over :) > > > You need some way to generalise, and this leads to some hierarchy of > types. I bet our brain encodes a huge one. But how does it encode it? > > > > What is triggered depends on what our "understanding" makes of triggers. > Pretty much a Rube Goldberg contraption, but gets interesting quickly. > Understanding isn't that vague, it's whatever can be coded into rules. > > > So you would say that a thermostat understands temperature? > > No, I would say that whatever is reading and setting the thermostat needs > to understand the effect they want to achieve. The "user" chooses the > thermostat based on understanding of outcomes that are expected. > > The thermostat is simply a "see" mechanism - it triggers something else. > If you wrote a rule to act like a thermostat, I would say that the rule > understands an aspect of a thermostat - e.g. numbers change over time and > there is a trigger point. I don't think the rule needs to know about > atomic vibrations, or the cost of a barrel of oil. > > I'm not downplaying ontology, it will be useful. I just don't put it as > first priority in building an AGI. > > Stan > > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc> | > Modify <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/24379807-f5817f28> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
