On Thu, Jan 08, 2015 at 08:01:40AM -0800, Steve Richfield via AGI wrote: > e.g. "there is a cliff. If I step off of it I will fall and die. Therefore, > I shouldn't step off of it." Without a model, this level of thinking would > be impossible. > > Steve
This reminds me of when I was a child and we had recently moved to Canada. Parents got me some paratrooper toys that would float down gracefully. The parachutes were really just blankets on strings. We were living on the 33rd floor at the time, I was ~7 years old, and I asked my dad if I could jump off the balcony with a bed sheet as a parachute, he said that I could. I remember standing at the edge of that balcony with my blanket for a long time before deciding against it. Maybe he figured he didn't need a kid stupid enough to jump *shrugs*. I dono. It certainly was a model which helped me realize that I shouldn't jump since in my mind I modeled that the sheet might slip from my hands, at which point I would just plummet the rest of the way. I also knew that falling generally hurt. So In piaget's model, I must have been at concrete operational stage. -- Logan Streondj > > On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:28 AM, Piaget Modeler via AGI <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Bipin Indurkhya would take it one step further and say, we don't juts find > > relationships, > > we create them. He explains this in his book *Metaphor and Cognition*. > > > > See: > > http://www.amazon.com/Metaphor-Cognition-Interactionist-Approach-Cognitive/dp/0792316878 > > > > Piaget would also agree that the relationships are constructed rather than > > detected. > > > > ~PM > > > > > Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 09:42:17 -0500 > > > Subject: [agi] Coherent Knowledge and Reason Based Reasoning > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > I believe that a (moderate) coherentist approach makes sense. You can > > > use logic, correlation, abstraction, synthesis, generalization, > > > specification, probability and conjecture across the conceptual > > > objects of the system. But when some objects of interest are found to > > > be related, I think there should be an attempt to find out why or how > > > they are related. I feel that mere association or correlation is not > > > enough to act as a basis for AGI. The program has to search for > > > reason-based reasoning as well. If a reason can't be found or the > > > observations do not stand out then association or correlation is > > > adequate, but the idea that association or correlation is substantial > > > as a basis for knowledge just does not seem right to me. > > > Jim Bromer > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > > AGI > > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > > RSS Feed: > > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc > > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/10443978-6f4c28ac> | > > Modify > > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > > > > > > -- > Full employment can be had with the stoke of a pen. Simply institute a six > hour workday. That will easily create enough new jobs to bring back full > employment. > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/5037279-a88c7a6d > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
