Jim, You may find it easier to watch the Neural Proposition video and peruse the slides: https://independent.academia.edu/PiagetModeler Enjoy. ~PM
From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [agi] Multiple Conceptual Level Networks Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 10:27:29 -0800 > Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 10:45:27 -0500 > Subject: Re: [agi] Multiple Conceptual Level Networks > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > I am reading your (Piaget Modeler's) paper, "The Neural Proposition: > Structures for Cognitive Systems," but I am trying to reread it more > carefully to better understand it. > > So let me ask you a few questions about your project. > Is it an AGI application or an AGI Platform? PAM.P2 is a cognitive architecture ( https://www.academia.edu/9997454/PAM.P2 )that uses neural propositions as its knowledge representation. The ovals in the diagram represent prototypes, instances of which are referenced by the depictedagents. > You know about reification and gerunds. How does your program turn a > statement into an action? There are intention prototypes and solution prototypes. Solutions are tried by the system, the actions of which are attempted. attempts are sent to a device running a psyche application and results are returned as to whetherthe attempt succeeded or failed. > How does your program prevent a statement like, "Forget everything > that you know" from becoming an action that causes it to forget > everything that it knows? Propositions are disconnected from the underlying agents that refer to and create them. That being said, an agent could run amok if incorrectly programmedand delete all the propositions of the system. So the agents have to be carefully programmed. ~PM > > > Jim Bromer > > > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 12:19 PM, Piaget Modeler via AGI > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Do you mean like "Neural Propositions: Structures for Cognitive Systems" ? > > > > ~PM > > > >> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 06:04:02 -0500 > >> Subject: [agi] Multiple Conceptual Level Networks > >> From: [email protected] > >> To: [email protected] > > > >> > >> I came up with a great concept-theory using cross generalizations on > >> logic so I decided to write about it. As I thought about it I > >> remembered seeing some introductory text about network theory > >> somewhere and the first examples that they mentioned used binary > >> nodes. Some of the examples were effectively about kinds of logical > >> cross-generalizations. So what happened to my great new theory? > >> Somehow it fizzled into something that was from some introductory > >> text about networks. The thing is, I don't think current network > >> theory is very interesting. > >> > >> In order to create more interesting networks you have to have multiple > >> layers. Not just multiple processing layers but multiple conceptual > >> layers. But these concept layers should not be associated only by a > >> simplistic associations (on concept nodes for instance) but by the > >> potential for nodes on one layer to interact dramatically with other > >> layers. Of course this can be implemented using contemporary > >> conventions about nodal networks. So why is the idea of multiple > >> concept layers important? Because of the potential of the layered > >> networks to represent cross-categorical relations which might be > >> needed to solve difficult problems and which might be more susceptible > >> to effective methods of analysis. > >> > >> When Internet traffic is being analyzed, for example, the analysis > >> occurs on a different conceptual level than the traffic itself. In > >> this case, there is very limited interaction with the traffic and the > >> analysis. If the analysis is sent to a web manager then the analytical > >> function is itself producing some traffic on the same system. The > >> number of conceptual levels in this example is extremely constricted > >> (there are 2 levels) and the interaction between the levels is tightly > >> constrained as well. > >> > >> But it is easy to imagine systems where there are many different kinds > >> of conceptual levels and a lot of different ways interaction can > >> occur. Can you do this with conventional notions about sub-networks? > >> Ok, but there are times when you need to free your mind from > >> conventional thinking. > >> Jim Bromer > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------- > >> AGI > >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc > >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > > AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com AGI | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
