I would challenge the assumptions below about this-being-harder-than-that in strong/general AI. It's all VERY difficult. Also I challenge the need to create a de facto "great schism" between the ~real~ and ~artificial~ intelligences, it sounds like with a separate "board of directors". Both of these types of efforts could be hybridized, I think. I think you guys might be taking your presumed intelligence purity a bit too far. Also, this may have been covered elsewhere, but what happened to that AGI research institute of Ben's circa 2009? I typed in the URL and it looks defunct....
Mike A On 5/16/15, Dorian Aur <[email protected]> wrote: > Telmo, > > (i) Indeed, reverse-engineering the brain *on a digital computer is a much > harder problem* > (ii) Also, consciousness (like NLP) is a particularly "hard problem" only > *if > we like to replicate it solely on digital computers * > (iii) Benjamin you are also right "a bunch of empirical data and applies a > measure of statistical significance...with interpretations that are rather > monstrous"...statistical significance does not provide a reeliable > theoretical model, and the effect is little success to understand the > diseased brain and provide reliable therapy. Billions and billions of > dollars wasted in the last six decades, science became "a mob opinion" > http://www.pri.org/stories/2015-04-30/do-we-all-have-alzhemers-completely-wrong-man-says-yes- > > > > While the process of computation in the brain* is essentially a computer > science problem* many computer scientists cannot contribute. And the Turing > approach provides only a "reduced model" . > > > We need to think differently. Why travel with a horse and carriage when we > can build a spaceship? With a different path we can solve both problems. > The solution is to bring both groups (a) and (b) thinkers & doers together, > initially create heterogeneous teams to engineer the hybrid system using > biological building blocks. > > > The younger generation of scientists will understand the issue and > probably will not repeat our mistakes if we can move fast with IGI . Both > problems can be thoroughly solved through creativity, design and > engineering. > > > I strongly feel that this endeavor will be the fastest, less expensive > and most effective path towards AGI and brain therapy. > > > Dorian > > > > On Sat, May 16, 2015 at 6:36 AM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Sorry if this is a duplicate posting. Something odd going on with my >> gmail. >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> My analysis of the potential for the IGI is continuing. I have thought >> about board structure, but that is secondary just now. The main point I >> want to make here is how I would see such a thing operate. >> >> The future of AGI has two main threads to it: >> >> 1) Computer-based AGI (C-AGI) >> 2) Non-computer-based AGI (NC-AGI) >> >> The IGI will be the first place ever that does NC-AGI. C-AGI has had 100% >> of all investment and over half a century of activity. This imbalance >> has >> to stop for the good of the entire AGI program. >> >> So the idea is that NC-AGI, which was always a possibility and is now >> more >> possible than ever, joins C-AGI as a way towards real AGI, however it >> turns >> out. I cannot and will not discuss the technical conceptuals contrasting >> C-AGI and NC-AGI. It will be the job of the IGI to articulate that. This >> thread is actually about the formation of an institute that might do it. >> >> I offer the following suggestion for the scope of the IGI: >> >> 1) The IGI does actual research and development of NC-AGI. The technical >> mission is to make new kinds of neuromorphic chips that do model-free >> AGI, >> put them as brains in robots and make a new ecology of NC-AGI-based robot >> critters from insect to H+ level. >> 2) The IGI establishes a double-blind independent AGI test facility that >> _all_ embodied (robotic) AGI solutions, C-AGI and NC-AGI, can use to >> formally test candidates. This has nothing whatever to do with Turing >> tests. It will design the test regime and develop and test the tests. >> 3) The IGI can set about isolating and instigating the practical legal, >> social and regulatory mechanisms to do with having a machine ecology join >> (or not) the natural ecology. >> ========= >> As such, it would be ideal if the IGI could be co-located with a C-AGI >> institute. The two approaches, side-by side, could then work together in >> 2) and 3). With a board that can see the merit in such an institute, and >> the right researchers within it, this could be a serious contender for >> real >> AGI. At the very least it would correct an imbalance to AGI that has >> been >> in place for decades. It will champion and give a voice to NC-AGI. >> >> Currently there are, as far as I can tell, two and only two researchers >> in >> the entire world who can envisage some kind of NC-AGI. >> >> Dr Dorian Aur (Ca, USA) >> Dr Colin Hales.(Melbourne, Australia) >> >> If anyone knows anyone else that might see this potential then I would >> like to be put in touch with them. >> >> That's all I wanted to say at this stage. If I were to be part of this >> initiative, then these are my thoughts. 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