Just a suggestion. Google+ Meetups are a good way for everyone to meet each other, and in live voice and/or video chat discuss topics.
On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Colin Hales <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Dorian et. al., > I am having trouble getting time to properly participate here because of > family stuff and my other commitments. I'm checking in to acknowledge > how encouraging it is to see the activity is ongoing, and the birth of a > possible paper that might underpin whatever this IGI initiative turns into. > > I'd like to focus my efforts on the paper primarily as a way to discover > IGI directions. So if you could bear with a patchy contribution from me for > a little while it would be greatly appreciated. I have a particularly > difficult week ahead of me. There's no huge crashing need for speed here, > so I'm hoping slow and steady might be OK. > > Whatever form this website takes: fantastic. It may only ever be a 'line > in the sand'. But it's a significant one in the greater scheme of AGI > futures and really good to see after being sidelined for so long. Yay! > > cheers > Colin Hales > > > > On Thu, May 21, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Why don't you just call it "AI" and if somebody asks THEN you can >> clarify it? I mean, why be arcane about it? One of the reasons I got >> into AI is because I don't like the way that people create things that >> are intentionally difficult and known only to the in-group. Now here >> you go with a boatload of new acronyms, known only to the select tiny >> group that knows the secret meaning behind it. So, I guess I am >> getting into Alan Grimes vent space with this. >> >> On 5/20/15, Dorian Aur <[email protected]> wrote: >> > *Colin et al,* >> > >> > >> > A possible plan for H-AGI towards S-AGI paper >> > >> > >> > >> > *Hybrid artificial general intelligent systems towards S-AGI* >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > *Introduction* – a short presentation of AI systems and general goal to >> > build human general intelligence >> > >> > >> > >> > Why H-AGI? >> > >> > - Present different forms of computation , ( particular forms of >> > computation analog, digital -Turing machines ) >> > - Computations in the brain (examples of computations that are hardly >> > replicated on digital computers) >> > - H-AGI can include all forms of computations, algorithmic / >> > non-algorithmic, analog, digital,* quantum and classical *since >> > biological structure is incorporated in the system >> > >> > >> > >> > *Steps to develop H-AGI* >> > >> > >> > >> > - A. Build the structure using either natural stem cells or induced >> > pluripotent cells a three-dimensional vascularized structure, test >> 3D >> > printing possibilities >> > - Shape the structure and control spatial organization of cells >> > - Detect the need of neurotrophic factors, nutrients and oxygen >> ...use >> > nanosensor devices, carbon nanotubes... >> > - Regulate, control the entire phenomenon using a computer interface, >> > ability to use combine analog/digital and biophysical computations >> > >> > B. Train the hybrid system >> > >> > - Enhance bidirectional communication between biological structure >> and >> > computers >> > - Create and use a virtual world to provide accelerated training, >> use >> > machine learning, DL, digital/algorithmic AI or AGI if something is >> > developed on digital systems >> > - The interactive training system should also shape the evolution of >> > biological structure, natural language and visual information can be >> > progressively included >> > >> > see details in Can we build a conscious machine, >> > http://arxiv.org/abs/1411.5224 >> > >> > >> > *Goals of H-AGI* >> > >> > H-AGI can be seen as a transitional step required to understand which >> > parts can be fully replicated in a synthetic form to build a more >> powerful >> > system, >> > >> > · Natural language processing, robotics... >> > >> > · Space exploration, colonization..... etc >> > >> > · Techniques for therapy (brain diseases, cancer ....) since we >> will >> > learn how to shape biological structure >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Dorian >> > >> > >> > PS This brief presentation may also provide an idea about possible >> > collaboration list 1- list 3 >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 11:20 PM, Mike Archbold <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> > A summary ....we are looking at the idea that there are 2 fundamental >> >> kinds >> >> > of putative AGI (1) & (3), and their hybrid (2) that forms a third >> >> approach >> >> > as follows: >> >> > >> >> > (1) C-AGI computer substrate only. Neuromorphic equivalents of >> it. >> >> > (2) H-AGI hybrid of (1) and (3). The inorganic version is a new >> >> > kind >> >> > of neuromorphic chip. The organic version has ... erm... organics in >> >> > it. >> >> > (3) S-AGI synthetic AGI. organic or inorganic. Natural brain >> >> > physics >> >> > only. No computer. >> >> > >> >> > (aside: S-AGI just came out of my fingers. I hope this is OK, >> Dorian!) >> >> > >> >> >> >> This is a cool idea, somewhat mind boggling in its possibilities. >> >> Cool though! >> >> >> >> Personally I would favor something more like "EM-AGI" for >> >> electromagnetic AGI. I mean, I don't understand the details of the >> >> approach, only the generalities. But, "S" seems a bit vague/ambiguous >> >> while EM hits it more or less on target IMHO. >> >> >> >> MIke A >> >> >> >> >> >> > Think this way: What we have now is 100% computer. S-AGI is 100% >> >> > natural >> >> > physics (organic or inorganic). H-AGI is set somewhere in between. >> >> > It's >> >> > the level of computer computation/natural computation that is at >> issue. >> >> All >> >> > are computation. >> >> > >> >> > The human brain is a natural version of (3) with a neuronal/astrocyte >> >> > substrate. (3) has no computer whatever in it. it retains all the >> >> natural >> >> > physics (whatever that is). H-AGI targets the inclusion of the >> >> > essential >> >> > natural brain physics in the substrate of (2) and to incorporate (1) >> >> > computer-substrates and software to an extent to be determined. In my >> >> case >> >> > an H-AGI would be inorganic. Others see differently. >> >> > >> >> > Where you might have a stake in this? >> >> > >> >> > The history of AGI can be summed up as an experiment that seeks to >> see >> >> > if >> >> > the role of (1) C-AGI as a brain is fundamentally indistinguishable >> >> > from >> >> > (3) S-AGI under all conditions. That is the hypothesis. The 65 year >> old >> >> bet >> >> > that has attracted 100% of the investment to date. H-AGI does not >> make >> >> that >> >> > presupposition and seeks to contrast (1) and (3) in revealing ways >> that >> >> > then allow us to speak authoritatively about the (1)/(3) relationship >> >> > in >> >> > AGI potential. Only then will we really understand the difference >> >> > between >> >> > (1) and (3). So far that difference is entirely and intuition. A good >> >> one. >> >> > But only intuition. Its time for that intuition to be turned into >> >> science. >> >> > Experiments in (1) have ruled to date. Now we seek to do some (2)... >> >> > E.E. >> >> > we have 65 years of 'control' subject. H-AGI builds the first 'test' >> >> > subject. >> >> > >> >> > How about this? >> >> > >> >> > What would be super cool is if this mighty AGI beast you intend >> making >> >> > could be turned into the brain of a robot. Then we could contrast >> what >> >> > it >> >> > does with what an IGI candidate brain does in an identical robot in >> the >> >> > same test. That kind of testing vision (as far off as it may seem) >> is a >> >> > potential way your work and the IGI might interface. Which candidate >> >> robot >> >> > best encounters radical novelty, without any human >> >> intervention/involvement >> >> > whatever? .... is a really good question. To do this test you'd not >> >> > need >> >> to >> >> > reveal anything about its workings. Observed robot behaviour is >> >> > decisive. >> >> > >> >> > It seems to me that whatever venture you plan, it might be wise to >> keep >> >> an >> >> > eye on any (2)/(3) approaches. IGI or not. Because it is directly >> >> informing >> >> > expectations of outcomes in (1). We are currently asking the question >> >> "*If >> >> > H-AGI were to be championed into existence, what would the first >> >> > vehicle >> >> > for that look like?*" If the enthusiasm maintains it will be sketched >> >> into >> >> > a web page and we'll see what it tells us and what to do next. It may >> >> halt. >> >> > It may go. I don't know. Worth a shot? You bet. >> >> > >> >> > With your (1) C-AGI glasses firmly strapped to your head, your wisdom >> >> > at >> >> > all stages in this would be well received, whatever the messages. So >> if >> >> you >> >> > have time to keep an eye on happenings, I for one would appreciate >> it. >> >> > >> >> > regards >> >> > >> >> > Colin Hales >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Wed, May 20, 2015 at 6:58 AM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Thanks for asking. Haven’t followed the IGI discussions. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Is this about non-computer based approaches to AGI? If so, I don’t >> >> think >> >> >> I have anything positive to contribute. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> More generally, non-profit orgs need strong focus and champions. >> And >> >> >> specific goals. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Benjamin Kapp [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 19, 2015 12:23 PM >> >> >> *To:* AGI >> >> >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence (IGI) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mr. Voss, >> >> >> >> >> >> Given your understanding of the AGI community do you believe an IGI >> >> would >> >> >> be redundant? Would your organization be open to collaborating with >> >> >> the >> >> >> IGI? Do you have any advice for how we could be successful in >> >> >> starting >> >> >> up >> >> >> this organization? Perhaps you would be open to being a member of >> the >> >> >> board? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 2:03 PM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> Not something that can be adequately covered in a few words, but…. >> >> “We’re >> >> >> building a fully integrated, top-down & bottom-up, real-time, >> adaptive >> >> >> knowledge (& skill) representation, learning and reasoning engine. >> >> >> We’re >> >> >> using a combination of graph representation and NN techniques >> overlaid >> >> >> with >> >> >> fuzzy, adaptive rule systems” – ha! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Here again are links for some clues: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kurzweilai.net/essentials-of-general-intelligence-the-direct-path-to-agi >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.realagi.com/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> https://www.facebook.com/groups/RealAGI/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* Benjamin Kapp [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Mr. Voss, >> >> >> >> >> >> Since you are the founder I'm certain you know what agi-3's >> >> >> methodology >> >> >> is. In a few words (maybe more?) could you share with us what that >> >> >> is? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Peter Voss <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> *>*http://www.agi-3.com They just glue together anything and >> >> everything >> >> >> that works. >> >> >> >> >> >> Actually, no. 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