> > In the Piagetian Modeler the substrate contains ideas, solutions, goals, > hypotheses, percepts, and so forth. The agents act upon these "pheromones", > modifying them in various simple ways. The substrate is used for > inter-agent > communication.
I didn't realize the system you were building was blackboard-based. I am a fan of this approach. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 8:56 PM, Piaget Modeler <[email protected]> wrote: > It's the basis of the Piagetian Modeler and other agent based systems. > > The agents are like ants which leave pheromones (messages) in the > substrate (typically a blackboard, or database, or knowledge base). > > The substrate evolves over time. > > In the Piagetian Modeler the substrate contains ideas, solutions, goals, > hypotheses, percepts, and so forth. The agents act upon these "pheromones", > modifying them in various simple ways. The substrate is used for > inter-agent > communication. > > ~PM > > > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 18:26:59 -0400 > > Subject: Re: [agi] Stigmergy > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > > You can try to use stigmergy as if it were an abstraction that can be > > seen as part of a human-like intelligence but then you would, for > > example, be forced to declare that the more abstract parts of the > > programming were the primitives that were not changing due to the > > memories of events and the integration of those event-memories. But, > > since you would want a secondary abstraction-generation system be > > something that could be learned you would have to reach further into > > the abstractions of the abstractions of the programming to find the > > truly stigmergic part. It is an interesting philosophical exercise but > > can it be used to lead to something new? > > Jim Bromer > > > > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > The definition of stigmergy in Wikipedia is that, "It produces > > > complex, seemingly intelligent structures, without need for any > > > planning, control, or even direct communication between the agents. As > > > such it supports efficient collaboration between extremely simple > > > agents, who lack any memory, intelligence or even individual awareness > > > of each other." > > > So while Facebook, for example, is designed to work based on human > > > responses it does also retain 'marks' which are used to determine a > > > range of actions that can be subsequently taken in response. However, > > > communication between the human agents, who have stores of memories, > > > is the whole reason Facebook has succeeded. Can we look at part of a > > > distributed active system, even one that relies on human IO, and say > > > that part of it is stigmergic? OK, but the next question is why? What > > > can you do with that point of view? I think (it is obvious that) human > > > beings are sometimes reacting without fully realizing what is going on > > > and instead base their responses on prevailing commonalities of > > > insight (like prevailing memes). This kind of reaction might be > > > likened to a stigmergic reaction. Subsequent interactions can then be > > > used to refine the first attempts to understand what is going on (or > > > what someone else is trying to say.) So perhaps by looking at > > > foundational or simple methods that can combine stigmergy with more > > > traditional AI methods so that stigmergic reactions can be integrated > > > with previous reactions (for example successive statements) someone > > > might be able to gain a little more insight in AGI. However, this > > > implies that simple reactions must be context-sensitive to different > > > combinations of events and they have to be sensitive to hidden parts > > > that need to be inferred and discovered in order to appreciate special > > > meanings (or to invoke special reactions) related to individuation of > > > the agents. So I can see one way how this extension of the definition > > > of stigmergy might be used to yield some novel experimental results. > > > If I only had the time... > > > > > > ------------------------------------------- > > AGI > > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > > RSS Feed: > https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/19999924-4a978ccc > > Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > *AGI* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/23050605-2da819ff> | > Modify > <https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;> > Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
