On 7/24/15, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: > You can try to use stigmergy as if it were an abstraction that can be > seen as part of a human-like intelligence but then you would, for > example, be forced to declare that the more abstract parts of the > programming were the primitives that were not changing due to the > memories of events and the integration of those event-memories. But, > since you would want a secondary abstraction-generation system be > something that could be learned you would have to reach further into > the abstractions of the abstractions of the programming to find the > truly stigmergic part. It is an interesting philosophical exercise but > can it be used to lead to something new? > Jim Bromer >
Jim, I really like this paragraph above although I don't know what it means, exactly, but have kind of feel for it... PM, I don't recall you had ideas in your design (apologize if I forgot). How do you define "idea" in a non formal type way? Mike A > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Jim Bromer <[email protected]> wrote: >> The definition of stigmergy in Wikipedia is that, "It produces >> complex, seemingly intelligent structures, without need for any >> planning, control, or even direct communication between the agents. As >> such it supports efficient collaboration between extremely simple >> agents, who lack any memory, intelligence or even individual awareness >> of each other." >> So while Facebook, for example, is designed to work based on human >> responses it does also retain 'marks' which are used to determine a >> range of actions that can be subsequently taken in response. However, >> communication between the human agents, who have stores of memories, >> is the whole reason Facebook has succeeded. Can we look at part of a >> distributed active system, even one that relies on human IO, and say >> that part of it is stigmergic? OK, but the next question is why? What >> can you do with that point of view? I think (it is obvious that) human >> beings are sometimes reacting without fully realizing what is going on >> and instead base their responses on prevailing commonalities of >> insight (like prevailing memes). This kind of reaction might be >> likened to a stigmergic reaction. Subsequent interactions can then be >> used to refine the first attempts to understand what is going on (or >> what someone else is trying to say.) So perhaps by looking at >> foundational or simple methods that can combine stigmergy with more >> traditional AI methods so that stigmergic reactions can be integrated >> with previous reactions (for example successive statements) someone >> might be able to gain a little more insight in AGI. However, this >> implies that simple reactions must be context-sensitive to different >> combinations of events and they have to be sensitive to hidden parts >> that need to be inferred and discovered in order to appreciate special >> meanings (or to invoke special reactions) related to individuation of >> the agents. So I can see one way how this extension of the definition >> of stigmergy might be used to yield some novel experimental results. >> If I only had the time... > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
