On 11/11/15, EdFromNH . <[email protected]> wrote: > Obviously memory and information topology play a role in consciousness, so > the poster is not 100% in error. But overall, this poster struck me as a > drug inspired, poorly thought-out throwing together of misunderstood, > complicated mathematical and scientific concepts. > > > Regarding: >>Just because mathematics can be derived from the brain does not mean the > brain is computing anything mathematically. > > I disagree. But perhaps that is because I am defining "mathematics" more > broadly. If one defines "mathematics" as being limited to human created > understanding and representation of rules of computation, clearly it only > plays a role in consciousness when the consciousness is of, or relates to, > such human created understanding. But I, and many other scientists, define > "mathematics: to also including the actual rules that control physical > reality's computations -- rules which we humans use mathematics to > represent, but which have existence independent of our human representation > of them. With this more inclusive definition of mathematics, it is clears > that the brain's computations that give rise to consciousness are computed > mathematically. > >
"Existence independent of our human representation" sounds a platonist, OK... when you say "actual rules that control physical reality's computations..." it seems like you are obliged to venture into metaphysics. But that has a bad reputation... Like: end comes after beginning, part is less than whole, quantity can be in terms of ones, etc. But, how do you represent that sort of thing mathematically? How do you use math to figure end is after beginning? > On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 6:40 AM, John Rose <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Mike Archbold [mailto:[email protected]] >> > >> > I'll chime in for MIke TIntner. My best impression: >> > >> > Just because mathematics can be derived from the brain does not mean >> > the >> > brain is computing anything mathematically. >> > >> >> Ya Tintner is a memory on our consciousness, he's some morphisms on >> bundle >> fibers in our symplectic manifolds... but I can't seem to get them >> unintertwingled. Need a red hot neuromathematical poker to sear him outta >> there ssssSSSSSS! >> >> John >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> AGI >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/8630185-a57a74e1 >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > ------------------------------------------- > AGI > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/11943661-d9279dae > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- AGI Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/21088071-f452e424 Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=21088071&id_secret=21088071-58d57657 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
