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On 2017-02-15 01:18 AM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > Given my experience with ML and NLP, I would say that > > 1) psychometric and ML techniques are not going to be able to > find subtle stuff or make subtle manipulations Well the used categorization to plot the personality features of different people. so that is finding "subtle stuff" as far as I understand it. the subtle manipulations were genetically programmed, so they tested a variety of different ads (stimulus) to different personality types to see what would work the best to achieve the desired goal (click/like). > > 2) these methods are going to require expert utilization ... > expert selection of features for the algorithms, expert decision on > what questions to pose the algorithms For now yes there is certainly a human element, but anything repetitive can be automated away. Like for instance the twitter and facebook bots which are currently operated by a human supervisor. The human supervisor has to make some unique posts and reply to accusations of being a bot so they get a "pass" as being human. In theory that part could also be automated, increasing the bot to human operator ratio. Or even eliminating the need for human operators outside of setting them up with a goal (if they could pass the online equivalent of a turing test). > However, I would think that for relatively simple themes (which > are what drive major votes anyway), a combination of political > psych experts and ML experts could do a very good job of targeting > ads and such that will move people's minds in desired > directions... yep. Cambridge Analytica style companies also generates derivative content, such as videos and posts. Thus increasing the amount of apparent supporters, even though it is just bots at work. They have bots that reply to peoples posts, to drive certain opinions as well on social media and news sites. not just Cambridge Analytica but also the Russian propoganda machine. I'm fairly sure a bot replied on my Facebook as an anti climate change supporter, since they made generic anti-climate change statements and disappeared when pressed if they were a bot. Though who knows, maybe it was a human that didn't pass my personal Turing test :-|. > > It's not that AI in itself can psych people out and drive > elections yet, but it does seem like it should be a far more > powerful tool than traditional demographics, statistics, etc., if > expertly used... given the current state of tech, without any > research breakthroughs > > Ad agencies now use such methods, so why not politicians? > > -- ben Definitely! Politicians can't expect to win using old tech! Eventually we could use it for AGI also. Kennedy might have been the first TV president, in the same way Trump was the first AI president, though Kennedy wasn't a TV, nor is Trump an AI. Without the AI propaganda machine, I'm fairly sure things would have followed the popular expectation, UK would have stayed in the EU, and Hillary would have been president. In the same way that Kennedy would have probably lost if the media was limited to radio. Anyways, we have located the Illuminati attempting to dismantle the world, Steve Bannon and Cambridge Analytica! "Lenin, wanted to destroy the state, and that’s my goal too. I want to bring everything crashing down, and destroy all of today’s establishment.” -- Steve Bannon http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/08/22/steve-bannon-trump-s-to p-guy-told-me-he-was-a-leninist.html So if China or whoever wants to save the establishment, will need to provide a counter Cambridge Analytica's AI/MI/ML propoganda machine, since UK and US seem to be in it's (and Steve Bannon's) hands. Steve Bannon has mentioned China as one of his targets, which was repeated by his pawn (Trump). I would imagine you could probably tell whoever is your local Chinese government informant and they'll tell the 3PLA. At least that's how it was back in the Soviet Union, not sure if they adopted that whole every tenth man is a spy for the government approach in China. Do you know if OpenCog could be re-geared as such a propaganda machine? Thanks > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 4:25 AM, Logan Streondj > <[email protected]> wrote: > > AI won for Brexit AND Trump! > > Namely Cambridge Analytica, whose most public face is Steve > Bannon. > > https://scout.ai/story/the-rise-of-the-weaponized-ai-propaganda-machin e > > The good news is that this administration is likely going to be > pro-AI, because that is the foundation of their power. Also it > seems that Cambridge Analytica may be handling all white house > data. > > As always I'm looking out for AGI PR, and this kind of system > seems like the golden ticket. > > We NEED this, for our AGI goals, Or at least it would greatly help > our cause. Steering people towards a pro-AGI stance. > > I'm thinking that America already has this, while there may be > room for competitors, it would probably be wise to pick alternative > locations . > > For instance maybe China would like something like this, to steer > peoples opinions to coincide with the ruling party. Though Russia > and China may already have things like this, I'm sure it is a > product that many political parties and corporations would love to > have. > > The initial investors and partnerships would be necessary in order > to have the funds to buy and-or collect all the data we need to get > started . > > Once we have it developed then can reapply it to the domains we > need it for. 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