On 12/5/06, Matt Mahoney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

--- Eric Baum <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Matt> We have slowed evolution through medical advances, birth control
> Matt> and genetic engineering, but I don't think we have stopped it
> Matt> completely yet.
>
> I don't know what reason there is to think we have slowed
> evolution, rather than speeded it up.
>
> I would hazard to guess, for example, that since the discovery of
> birth control, we have been selecting very rapidly for people who
> choose to have more babies. In fact, I suspect this is one reason
> why the US (which became rich before most of the rest of the world)
> has a higher birth rate than Europe.

...

The main effect of medical advances is to keep children alive who would
otherwise have died from genetic weaknesses, allowing these weaknesses to be
propagated.

The "disagreement" here is a side-effect of postmodern thought.
Matt is using "evolution" as the opposite of "devolution", whereas
Eric seems to be using it as meaning "change, of any kind, via natural
selection".

We have difficulty because people with political agendas - notably
Stephen J. Gould - have brainwashed us into believing that we must
never speak of evolution being "forward" or "backward", and that
change in any direction is equally valuable.  With such a viewpoint,
though, it is impossible to express concern about the rising incidence
of allergies, genetic diseases, etc.

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