Oh. You're stuck on qualia (and zombies). I haven't seen a good
compact argument to convince you (and e-mail is too low band-width and
non-interactive to do one of the longer ones). My apologies.
Mark
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jiri Jelinek" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:26 PM
Subject: Re: [agi] Pure reason is a disease.
Mark,
VNA..can simulate *any* substrate.
I don't see any good reason for assuming that it would be anything
more than a zombie.
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/zombies/
unless you believe that there is some other magic involved
I would not call it magic, but we might have to look beyond 4D to
figure out how qualia really work.
But OK, let's assume for a moment that certain VNA-processed
algorithms can produce qualia as a side-effect. What factors do you
expect to play an important role in making a particular quale pleasant
vs unpleasant?
Regards,
Jiri Jelinek
On 6/11/07, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Jiri,
A VNA, given sufficient time, can simulate *any* substrate.
Therefore,
if *any* substrate is capable of simulating you (and thus pain), then a
VNA
is capable of doing so (unless you believe that there is some other magic
involved).
Remember also, it is *not* the VNA that feels pain, it is the entity
that the VNA is simulating that is feeling the pain.
Mark
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