Hi Edward,
Haven't figured out how to get rid of the HTML line at the side in Outlook so I'll reply at the top here. Our heads are doing pure and absolute they are busily cranking away at it. Our heads are also an "instance" and a subset of a pure and absolute. Gosh I suppose I have to back that up huh? Well it depends on the pure and absolute reference point. An easy answer is to take the data or digital physics perspective and say all matter is fundamentally made of data and/or has a data representation at its minute granular level. Can you run with that for a while? J As John quickly changes the subject since this is going to require lot's of explanation. CAs? Seems like you are well versed on them. I had mentioned them as they are always coming into play as very useful tools and simulators of .well. potentially everything, but using them for higher level constructs like FSMs, pattern generators, logic synthesis, chaos processing,.. I have been evaluating them as alternatives for current programming constructs. As to whether they are efficient don't know and actually have been trying to avoid them. Wolfram seems to like them. they have "core" properties. John From: Edward W. Porter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] John, Thanks for the pointers. I took a quick look at both your links. Neither of them seem to have the mindset about AI that I have -- which, if one was going to divide all approaches to AI into ten bins, would probably put my thinking and in the same bin as Novamente. And I am trying to get some fairly heavy AGI reading done that is more along the lines of thinking in that bin. With regard to algebraic structures -- I just skimmed the wikipedia page on that subject. I can't really criticize it because I haven't taken the time to understand it. But when I see a lot of lingo from rigorous math and logic, I start thinking it doesn't sound like my concept of AGI, which is focused on experiential intelligence, intelligence based on memory, patterns derived from memory, probability, and flexible context adjustable patterns and metrics of similarly. Rather such lingo suggests the realm of the pure and the absolute - of mental fascism. As I have said for years rigorous logic is to human thought what dressage is the motion of horses. Except in its simplest forms, it is unnatural. My head doesn't do pure and absolute. And, in fact, probably neither does yours. So that is just an ill informed gut reaction from a few minutes of reading the wikipedia algebraic structure link you sent me. If I am way off base, which is highly possible, please inform me. With regard to cellular automata, it depends how you define them. I very much believe in a distributed architecture with relatively simple local processing and messaging. That is what neurons do. And it scales well on massively parallel architecture. So if that falls within the bailiwick of cellular automata, cool. But if by cellular automata, you mean that a node can only compute through a limited number of guy's next to it in a relatively low dimensional space, fagedaboutit. (I am not, however, necessarily opposed to grid or toroidal networks, I am just saying that except at lower motor or perceptual levels, the architecture should be designed to efficiently handle one hell of a lot of non-local messaging.) I am interested in computing world knowledge and world knowledge is best thought of as residing in a sparsely filled very high dimensional space, in which the dimensions are constantly warping (a la Hofstadter's slipnet) and in which determining what is a nearest neighbor node is often highly confusing and variable. So again, if cellular automata would cover what neurons do, they have a lot of promise, although I would not limit myself to just processing on such a low level. But if cellular automata are limited to a notion of you do all your communication through computations with in a limited set of neighbors defined in anything less that a space with well over a million dimensions (see my , fagedaboutit. Please tell me if I am wrong, and which of these two interpretations cellular automata is the standard one. ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=55828852-bde5af
