Bob,

First off, I've no idea really what you mean by a "disembodied AGI living on the Net." Might you not just as easily talk about Google "living on the Net?" In both cases, it seems to me, you are talking about what are ultimately only a set of programs which have no simultaneous unity. That's what a body gives you.

They might know when they were "damaged," certainly, but they would have no physical sense of their own unity, or capacity to model/ map any bodies, their own or anyone else's. I don't think you're answering the points I made.

Let me give you a dramatic example of that mapping capacity - mimicry. You meet or see someone - an actor, say, like Michael Caine, or Jim Carrey. You see and hear them moving and talking for maybe a minute or less. And you can then produce both a physical, whole-body and a speech imitation of them - creating variations on their movements and patterns of speech with reasonable fidelity.An awesome capacity. I don't think that's mere (digital streams of fragmented) information processing, that's also "body processing" -involving body maps and a whole body.


Bob:
MT:>> As I'm arguing on Singularity, if you want real intelligence you absolutely
need a body as well as a brain.

This might not be the case, or to put it another way the term "body"
could have a more general meaning.  Imagine some disembodied AGI
living on the internet.  It could have various subprograms or
protocols within its realm of influence, which could be described as
its "body", and it may be continually trying to model and predict the
behavior of those subsystems.  Just like with a physical body this
would allow the AGI to identify damage to itself, or by extension
comparable changes occurring to other programs similar to but not part
of itself.



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