Steve, Thanks. I am forwarding this to the list because it contains discussion of the above threads subject. Ed Porter
-----Original Message----- From: Stephen Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 1:19 PM To: Ed Porter Subject: Re: [agi] DO RICHARD'S FOUR FEATURES OF DESIGN DOOM ACTUALLY PREVENT DESIGNABILITY Hi Ed, The Texai bootstrap English dialog system will exhibit very limited behavior at first, due to it paucity of hand-coded grammar constructions. Even after it successfully increases its abilities with regard to the variety of utterances it can comprehend and produce, it will still be far from a test of Richard Loosemore's theory. That's why I await his solutions to the hypothetical problem he proposes. I assume that I can adopt the his solution technique at the point at which Texai hits the complexity wall he describes, if indeed it ever happens. I don't know of any existing systems that will serve as a counterexample. Perhaps Richard will propose an easy-to-construct challenge that his system can overcome that others cannot overcome. We might be able to settle the issue sooner rather than later. Cheers. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 ----- Original Message ---- From: Ed Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Stephen Reed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:34:32 AM Subject: FW: [agi] DO RICHARD'S FOUR FEATURES OF DESIGN DOOM ACTUALLY PREVENT DESIGNABILITY Stephen, Thanks for the Feedback. I am sending you this off list, because I don't want to clog up the list with messages that don't include that much info that would be valuable to the community as a whole. Is enough of your system running to prove or indicate that Richard's four features of design doom do not prevent designing systems that work roughly as desired. Also do you know of any other programs that have these four features and appear to work at an overall level roughly as planned. If you have any such answers could you please post them to the AGI list, since they would be relevant to the community. Ed Porter -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Reed [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [agi] DO RICHARD'S FOUR FEATURES OF DESIGN DOOM ACTUALLY PREVENT DESIGNABILITY Hi Ed, I would not be even be surprised if the fluid grammar Stephen Reed is working on has all four of these features of doom. (Stephen, please tell me if this is true or not.) It appears from Stephen?s Apr 21 2008 - 5:16pm post about fluid grammar that it has (1) MEMORY, because it records individual new words and phrases it sees occurring in text before --- (2) DEVELOPMENT because its ability to properly parse adapts over time, through learning from the text --- (3) IDENTITY because I assume it classifies its individual word forms, words, and/or phrases within classes (Here I am guessing, Stephen, please correct me if I am wrong), --- and (4) ---NON-LINEARITY, because presumably performs many of the types of non-linear functions, such as thresholding and yes/no decision making, that would be used in almost any AGI such as Novamente. I believe that this is a true characterization of my plans for Texai, with regard to its forthcoming bootstrap English dialog system. Cheers. -Steve Stephen L. Reed Artificial Intelligence Researcher http://texai.org/blog http://texai.org 3008 Oak Crest Ave. Austin, Texas, USA 78704 512.791.7860 _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> _____ agi | <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> Archives <http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | <http://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Modify Your Subscription <http://www.listbox.com> _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51733/*http:/mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8H DtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ%20> it now. ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=101455710-f059c4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
