Sorry to intrude, but I think the formula "complexity is the border between order and chaos" resolves this dispute nicely...
> Choice 1: The operators end up being clean and modular in their design, > which means that if we were able to examine them from the outside, we would > be able to understand how they worked because their structure was NOT deeply > entangled with the design of the symbols, and the other stuff in the system. > Call this the "God Is A Smalltalk Programmer" choice, because in this case > the adult version of the cognitive system, after all the operators have > developed, looks like a nice piece of OO programming, with no hideous > dependencies between the entities. > > Choice 2: [And I am sure you can see this coming already] Suppose that > the operators develop in such a way that there are hideous dependencies > between them ... like, really horrible design in which it is almost > impossible to see how the operators work because everything developed as a > big kludge. This is the "God Is A Spaghetti Programmer" choice, for obvious > reasons. [...] It seems to me that Richard Loosemore is saying that choice 1 is too low in connectedness to be an AGI, because it will result in crystalline order. Mark Waser, on the other hand, is insisting that choice 2 is too high in connectedness, and will result in chaos. Both of these points are compatible. A complex system, particularly an AGI system, needs to have enough interdependency to create complex adaptive behavior; but it needs to have enough modularization to be stable. It cannot have total sensitive dependence to initial conditions (because some perturbations really should be ignored), but it also cannot be too insensitive. The more important dispute is the methodological suggestions that Richard Loosemore makes-- but I'm thinking that the current line of argument has become tangent... ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=101455710-f059c4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
