Richard Loosemore said: To answer your question, the complexity is so deeply embedded in the thing that the AGI is supposed to be doing, that it is not at all clear if there will ever be a way to build an AGI without it being complex. Remember: that is the point of the argument - that it is not clear that it can be avoided, and that therefore we must proceed on the assumption that it cannot. -------------------------------- What sort of effects of the kind of complexity that you are considering do you think might occur?
My point is this. The AGI program would be a reference program of some kind. The knowledge, or knowledge of its IO data environment, would be represented in the form of references (of some kind). These references may refer to referents (in the 'outside world') that were themselves complex without the program suffering some kind of runaway complexity. But I do think the system of references themselves would exhibit some computational complexity that is crudely analogous to that which may be exhibited in a program that models emergent behavior (like an emergent model of a flock of birds), but that does not mean that the program would go out of control anymore than the more familiar computational models of emergent behavior go out of control. So, my feeling is that emergent complexity in the referent universe may be crudely represented by a system of references, and a system of references may themselves exhibit emergent complexity but these are not totally uncontrollable even though they can produce unexpected results. To me, the real problem is finding effective means of learning when complexity and complications constitute the standard problem. Is your definition of complexity different? (I cannot accurately recall the precise terms that you previously used, but I doubt that our definitions are that different.) Do you think there is something more to it? Do you see some sort of problem with the kind of computer program that would be needed to deal with this kind of complexity? Are you saying that the contemporary computer program may not be adequate to deal with this kind of complexity regardless of the amount of memory, speed and parallelism that can be brought in? Jim Bromer ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: http://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: http://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=101455710-f059c4 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
