--- "Dr. Matthias Heger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The interesting question is how we learn the basic nouns like "ball"
> or "cat", i.e. abstract  concepts for objects of our environment.
> How do we create the basic patterns?

A child sees a ball, hears the word "ball", and associates them by
Hebb's rule.

> Sometimes I wonder whether we must explain the phenomenon of qualia
> to be
> able to create AGI. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/qualia/

No.  Qualia is not needed for learning because there is no physical
difference between an agent with qualia and one without.  Chalmers
questioned its existence, see http://consc.net/papers/qualia.html

It is disturbing to think that qualia does not exist, but that is just
the way your brain is programmed.  You cannot change the belief that
there is a "you" inside your head that experiences the outside world
through your perceptual filters and makes high level decisions.  But
you only have this belief because it was selected by evolution.

An intelligent, goal seeking agent must choose between short term
reward and risky experiments that lead to greater knowledge and
possibly greater long term reward.  When the agent experiments, it
behaves as if it had free will, even though it follows a deterministic
algorithm.  The agent cannot know its own algorithm because it does not
have enough memory to simulate itself.  On introspection, something
random or mysterious must have made the choice.  Humans credit this to
free will,  like when you choose to climb a mountain instead of stay
home and watch TV.

> What are the basic axioms of our mind? In fact these are the qualia
> phenomena. Everything we know is build from qualia! 
> Lets take something very abstract: Mathematics. Yes, even mathematics
> with its axioms is build from qualia.

All knowledge is grounded in sensory experience.  Mathematics is not
absolute truth.  It is a system invented by humans for reasoning about
truth.


-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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