My 2 cents on this issue... I read the posts more or less daily because I want to be knowledgable in these areas, there are idea gems hidden here, and I want to see if anybody else is on the same path I'm on... :) Once in a while I post something.
Having cut my teeth on college football message boards, the kind of insults here are pretty small time, but nevertheless detract. The single best way to get rid of a flame poster is ignoring him. Period. The problem with AGI is that posters have very strong opinions in so much as their method is the one guaranteed to work, and anybody else's method won't work. For instance I'm convinced that Goertzel's method won't work but I admire it anyway. I don't think increased moderation is the key; it is more like finding a station on a radio -- if nobody listens the station will go out of business. Mike Archbold > Hi, > > Here are a couple random responses to suggestions by others within this > thread... > > Nesov wrote, and Mark Waser concurred: > > " > I don't notice rudeness so much, but content-free posts (and posters > who don't learn) are a problem on this list. Low signal-to-noise > ratio. I'd say you are too tolerant in avoiding moderation, but > moderation is needed for content, not just "politeness". > " > > My response is that > > -- Moderation for politeness, and for *form* of posts, is fairly easy to > do > in an objective way > > -- Moderation for content is a lot more subjective, and I don't want to be > perceived as imposing my own particular views on AGI on this mailing list. > So I'm a bit wary of this. > > Hector suggested > > " > What about also some minimal credentials (not necessarily academical > achievements but a minimal proof of knowledge and logical thought) as it > is > required at other mailing lists... > " > > However, it seems to me that the most boring, repetitive and irritating > conversations on this list generally involve individuals who *do* have > "above minimal credentials" in AGI. > > The only exception I can think of would be some of the repetitive > conversations involving Mike Tintner, who isn't professionally experienced > in AGI or directly related fields of science so far as I know (though I > could be wrong) > > I do think that this list has recently become dominated by long, somewhat > repetitive arguments between a relatively small number of people. I > myself > have stopped reading or posting very much partly because of this, even > though I'm the list administrator... > > > Ben > > > On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I don't notice rudeness so much, but content-free posts (and posters >>> who don't learn) are a problem on this list. Low signal-to-noise >>> ratio. I'd say you are too tolerant in avoiding moderation, but >>> moderation is needed for content, not just "politeness". >>> >> >> Normally I try to avoid "me too" posts -- but for those who felt my last >> e-mail was too long, this is the essence of my argument (and very well >> expressed). >> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vladimir Nesov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [agi] META: do we need a stronger "politeness code" on this >> list? >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 7:47 AM, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> I think Ed's email was a bit harsh, but not as harsh as many of >>>> Richard's >>>> (which are frequently full of language like "fools", "rubbish" and so >>>> forth >>>> ...). >>>> >>>> Some of your emails have been pretty harsh in the past too. >>>> >>>> I would be willing to enforce a stronger code of politeness on this >>>> list >>>> if >>>> that is what the membership wants. I have been told before, in other >>>> contexts, that I tend to be overly tolerant of rude behavior. >>>> >>>> Anyone else have an opinion on this? >>>> >>>> >>> I don't notice rudeness so much, but content-free posts (and posters >>> who don't learn) are a problem on this list. Low signal-to-noise >>> ratio. I'd say you are too tolerant in avoiding moderation, but >>> moderation is needed for content, not just "politeness". >>> >>> -- >>> Vladimir Nesov >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> http://causalityrelay.wordpress.com/ >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------- >>> agi >>> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >>> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >>> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >>> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> agi >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> Modify Your Subscription: >> https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > > > > -- > Ben Goertzel, PhD > CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC > Director of Research, SIAI > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first > overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson > > > > ------------------------------------------- > agi > Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now > RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ > Modify Your Subscription: > https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; > Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com > ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
