Ok, I really don't see how it proves that then. In my view, the book could be replaced with a chinese-english translator and the same exact outcome will be given. Both are using their static knowledge for this process, not experience.
On 8/6/08, Terren Suydam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Hi Valentina, > > I think the distinction you draw between the two kinds of understanding is > illusory. Mutual human experience is also an emergent phenomenon. Anyway, > that's not the point of the Chinese Room argument, which doesn't say that a > computer understands symbols in a different way than humans, it says that a > computer has no understanding, period. > > Terren > > --- On *Wed, 8/6/08, Valentina Poletti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > My view is that the problem with the Chinese Room argument is precisely > the manner in which it uses the word 'understanding'. It is implied that in > this context this word refers to mutual human experience. Understanding has > another meaning, namely the emergent process some of you described, which > can happen in a computer in a different way from the way it happens in a > human being. In fact notice that the experiment says that the computer will > not understand chinese the way humans do. Therefore it implies the first > meaning, not the second. > > Regarding grounding, I think that any intelligence has to collect data from > somewhere in order to lear. Where it collects it from will determine the > type of intelligence it is. Collecting stories is still a way of collecting > information, but such an intelligence will never be able to move in the real > world, as it has no clue regarding it. On the other hand an intelligence who > learns by moving in the real world, yet has never read anything, will gather > no information from a book. > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com/> > > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com/> > -- A true friend stabs you in the front. - O. Wilde Einstein once thought he was wrong; then he discovered he was wrong. For every complex problem, there is an answer which is short, simple and wrong. - H.L. Mencken ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=108809214-a0d121 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
