On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 4:26 PM, Jim Bromer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 3:06 PM, Abram Demski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Jim, >> You are right to call me on that. I need to provide an argument that, >> if no logic satisfying B exists, human-level AGI is impossible. > > I don't know why I am being so aggressive these days. I don't start > out intending to be in everyone's face. > > If a logical system is incapable of representing a context of a > problem then it cannot be said that it (the logical system) implies > that the problem cannot be solved in the system. You are able to come > to a conclusion like that because you can transcend the supposed > logical boundaries of the system.
But, I am looking for a system that "is" me. I think there is still some confusion, because I still don't see how your points apply to what I'm saying. (Yes, that is why I replied only to your first sentence before, hoping the added clarification would resolve any misunderstanding.) My only conclusion is that we are talking past eachother because we are applying totally different models to the problem. When I say "logic", I mean something quite general-- an ideal system of mental operation. "Ideal" means that I am ignoring computational resources. I think what you are saying is that we can apply different logics to different situations, and so we can at one moment operate within a logic but at the next moment transcend that logic. This is all well and good, but that system of operation in and of itself can be seen to be a larger logical system, one that manipulates smaller systems. This larger system, we cannot transcend; we *are* that system. So, if no such logic exists, if there is no one "big" logic that transcends all the "little" logics that we apply to individual situations, then it makes sense to conclude that we cannot exist. Right? --Abram ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=111637683-c8fa51 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
