1.Autonomic [disembodied] computing" is obviously radically different from
having a body with a sympathetically controlled engine area (upper body) and
parasympatheticaly controlled digestive area (lower body) which are
continually being emotionally revved up or down in preparation for action,
and also in continuous conflict. There is no computer or robot that keeps
getting phsyically excited or depressed by its computations. (But it would
be a good idea).
2.Mimicking emotions as some robots do, is similarly v. different from
having the physical capacity to embody them, and experience them.
3.Silicon intelligences - useful distinction - don't "feel" anything - they
don't have an organic nervous system, and of course it's still a fascinating
question as to what extent "feeling" (the hard problem) is "contained" in
that system. (Again true feelings for AGI's would be a wonderful, perhaps
essential idea).
4.To have a sense of humour, as I more or less indicated, you have to be
able to identify with the "funny guy" making the error - and that is an
*embodied* identification. The humour that gets the biggest, most physical
laughs and even has you falling on the floor, usually involves the biggest,
most physical errors - e.g. slapstick. There are no plans that I know of, to
have computers "falling about."
5.Over and over, AI/AGI are making the same mistake - trying to
copy/emulate human faculties and refusing to acknowledge that they are
vastly more complex than AI'ers' construction. AI'ers attempts are valuable
and productive, but their refusal to acknowledge the complexity of - and to
respect the billion years of evolution behind - those faculties, tend
towards the comical. Rather like the chauffeur in High Anxiety who keeps
struggling to carry a suitcase, "I got it.. I got it.. I got it..... I ain't
got it."
6.I would argue that it is AGI-ers who are focussed on the blueprints of
their machine, and who repeatedly refuse to contemplate or discuss how it
will fly, (& I seem to recall you making a similar criticism).
Because you haven't been paying attention (or don't have the necessary
background or desire to recognize it). Look at the attention that's been
paid to the qualia and consciousness arguments (http://consc.net/online).
Any computer with sensors and effectors is embodied. And IBM is
even/already touting their "Autonomic Computing" initiatives
(http://www.research.ibm.com/autonomic/). Computers already divide tasks
into foreground (conscious) and background (unconscious) processes that
are *normally* loosely-coupled with internal details encapsulated away
from each other. Silicon intelligences aren't going to have human
internal organs (except, maybe, as part of a project to simulate/study
humans) but they're certainly going to have a sense of humor -- and while
they are not going to have the evolved *physical* side-effects, it's going
to "feel" like something to them.
Your arguments are very short-sighted and narrow and nitpicking minor
*current* details while missing the sweeping scope of what is not only
being proposed but actually moving forward around you. Stop telling us
what we think because you're getting it *WRONG*. Stop telling us what
we're missing because, in most cases, we're actually paying attention to
version 3 of what you're talking about and you just don't recognize it.
You're looking at the blueprints of F-14 Tomcat and arguing that the wings
don't move right for a bird and, besides, it's too unstable for a human to
fly (unassisted :-).
Read the papers in the first link and *maybe* we can have a useful
conversation . . . .
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Tintner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:41 AM
Subject: Re: [agi] Artificial humor
Obviously you have no plans for endowing your computer with a self and
a body, that has emotions and can shake with laughter. Or tears.
Actually, many of us do. And this is why your posts are so
problematical. You invent what *we* believe and what we intend to do.
And then you criticize your total fabrications (a.k.a. mental
masturbation).
You/others have plans for an *embodied* computer with the equivalent of
an autonomic nervous systems and the relevant, attached internal organs?
A robot? That's certainly news to me. Please expand.
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agi
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