Mike, I understand what "understand" means. It is easy to describe what it 
means to another human. But to a computer you have to define it at the level of 
moving bits between registers. If you have never written software, you won't 
understand the problem.

So does the following program understand?

  main(){printf("Ah, now I understand!");}

You need a precise test. That is what Turing did.


-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED]


--- On Sat, 9/13/08, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> From: Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [agi] Artificial humor... P.S
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 12:18 AM
> >> Matt:  How are you going to understand the issues
> behind programming a 
> >> computer for human intelligence if you have never
> programmed a computer?
> 
> Matt,
> 
> We simply have a big difference of opinion. I'm saying
> there is no way a 
> computer [or agent, period] can understand language if it
> can't basically 
> identify/*see* (and sense) the real objects - (and
> therefore doesn't know 
> what) - it's talking about. Hence people say when they
> understand at last - 
> "ah now I see.." "now I see what you're
> talking about.." "now I get the 
> picture."
> 
> The issue of what faculties are needed to understand
> language (and be 
> intelligent)  is not, *in the first instance,* a matter of
> programming.  I 
> suggest you may have been v. uncharacteristically short in
> this exchange, 
> because you may not like the starkness of the message. It
> is stark, but I 
> believe it's the truth. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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