Actually, CPS doesn't mean solving problems without algorithms. CPS is itself an algorithm, as described on pages 7-8 of Pei's paper. However, as I mentioned, I would be more convinced if there were some experimental results showing that it actually worked.
-- Matt Mahoney, [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- On Thu, 9/18/08, Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: From: Mike Tintner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [agi] Case-by-case Problem Solving (draft) To: [email protected] Date: Thursday, September 18, 2008, 8:51 PM Ben, I'm only saying that CPS seems to be loosely equivalent to wicked, ill-structured problem-solving, (the reference to convergent/divergent (or crystallised vs fluid) etc is merely to point out a common distinction in psychology between two kinds of intelligence that Pei wasn't aware of in the past - which is actually loosely equivalent to the distinction between narrow AI and general AI problemsolving). In the end, what Pei is/isn't aware of in terms of general knowledge, doesn't matter much - don't you think that his attempt to do without algorithms IS v. important? And don't you think any such attempt would be better off referring explicitly to the literature on wicked, ill-structured problems? I don't think that pointing all this out is silly - this (a non-algorithmic approach to CPS/wicked/whatever) is by far the most important thing currently being discussed here - and potentially, if properly developed, revolutionary.. Worth getting excited about, no? (It would also be helpful BTW to discuss the "wicked" literature because it actually has abundant examples of wicked problems - and those, you must admit, are rather hard to come by here ). Ben: TITLE: Case-by-case Problem Solving (draft) AUTHOR: Pei Wang .... But you seem to be reinventing the term for wheel. There is an extensive literature, including AI stuff, on "wicked, ill-structured" problems, (and even "nonprogrammed decisionmaking" which won't, I suggest, be replaced by "case-by-case PS". These are well-established terms. You similarly seemed to be unaware of the v. common distinction between convergent & divergent problem-solving. Mike, I have to say I find this mode of discussion fairly silly.. Pei has a rather comprehensive knowledge of AI and a strong knowledge of cog-sci as well. It is obviously not the case that he is unaware of these terms and ideas you are referring to. Obviously, what he means by "case-by-case problem solving" is NOT the same as "nonprogrammed decisionmaking" nor "divergent problem-solving." In his paper, he is presenting a point of view, not seeking to compare this point of view to the whole corpus of literature and ideas that he has absorbed during his lifetime. I happen not to fully agree with Pei's thinking on these topics (though I like much of it), but I know Pei well enough to know that those. places where his thinking diverges from mine, are *not* due to ignorance of the literature on his part... agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=114414975-3c8e69 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
