I don't want to recapitulate that whole long tedious thread again!! However, a brief summary of my response to Loosemore's arguments is here:
http://opencog.org/wiki/OpenCogPrime:FAQ#What_about_the_.22Complex_Systems_Problem.3F.22 (that FAQ is very incomplete which is why it hasn't been publicized yet ... but it does already address this particular issue...) ben On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:23 PM, Terren Suydam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi Ben, > > If Richard Loosemore is half-right, how is he half-wrong? > > Terren > > --- On *Mon, 9/29/08, Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>* wrote: > > From: Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [agi] Dangerous Knowledge > To: [email protected] > Date: Monday, September 29, 2008, 6:50 PM > > > >> >> I mean that a more productive approach would be to try to understand why >> the problem is so hard. > > > > IMO Richard Loosemore is half-right ... the reason AGI is so hard has to do > with Santa Fe Institute style > complexity ... > > Intelligence is not fundamentally grounded in any particular mechanism but > rather in emergent structures > and dynamics that arise in certain complex systems coupled with their > environments ... > > Characterizing what these emergent structures/dynamics are is hard, and > then figuring out how to make these > structures/dynamics emerge from computationally feasible knowledge > representation and creation structures/ > dynamics is hard ... > > It's hard for much the reason that systems biology is hard: it rubs against > the grain of the reductionist > approach to science that has become prevalent ... and there's insufficient > data to do it fully rigorously so > you gotta cleverly and intuitively fill in some big gaps ... (until a few > decades from now, when better bio > data may provide a lot more info for cog sci, AGI and systems biology... > > -- Ben > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Nothing will ever be attempted if all possible objections must be first overcome " - Dr Samuel Johnson ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=114414975-3c8e69 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
