all these words ... "inference", "control", "concept", "creation" ... are inadequately specified in natural language so misunderstandings will be easy to come by. However, I don't have time to point out the references to my particular intended definitions..
I did not mean to imply that the control involved would be entirely in the domain of inference, even when inference is broadly construed... just that control of inference, broadly construed, is a key aspect... ben g On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Mark Waser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> No system can make those kinds of inventions without sophisticated > inference control. Concept creation of course is required also, though. > > I'd argue that this is bad phrasing. > > Sure, effective control is necessary to create the concepts that you need > to fulfill your goals (as opposed to far too many random unuseful concepts) > . . . . > > But it isn't "Concept creation of course is required also", it really > is "Effective control is necessary for effective concept creation which is > necessary for effective goal fulfillment." > > And assuming that control must be sophisticated and necessarily entirely in > the realm of inference are just assumptions . . . . :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Ben Goertzel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:54 PM > *Subject:* **SPAM** Re: AW: [agi] If your AGI can't learn to play chess it > is no AGI > > > > ** >> >> >> Mathematics, though, is interesting in other ways. I don't believe >> that much of mathematics involves the logical transformations performed >> in proof steps. A system that invents new fields of mathematics, new terms, >> new mathematical "ideas" -- that is truly interesting. Inference control is >> boring, but inventing mathematical induction, complex numbers, or ring >> theory -- THAT is AGI-worthy. >> >> Is this different from generic concept formulation and explanation (just >> in a slightly different domain)? >> > > No system can make those kinds of inventions without sophisticated > inference control. Concept creation of course is required also, though. > > -- Ben > > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > > ------------------------------ > *agi* | Archives <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now> > <https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/> | > Modify<https://www.listbox.com/member/?&;>Your Subscription > <http://www.listbox.com> > -- Ben Goertzel, PhD CEO, Novamente LLC and Biomind LLC Director of Research, SIAI [EMAIL PROTECTED] "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein ------------------------------------------- agi Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?member_id=8660244&id_secret=117534816-b15a34 Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com
