On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Joshua Cowan <[email protected]> wrote: > Is having a strong sense of self one aspect of "mature enough"?
I meant something more basic --- you need to have an individual system complete and running, before you can have a society of individuals. > Also, Dr. Wang, do you see this as a primary way for teaching empathy. Yes, as well as everything else that depend on social experience. > I believe Ben > has written about hardwiring the desire to work with other agents as a > possible means of encouraging empathy. Do you agree with this approach > and/or have other ideas for encouraging empathy (assuming you see empathy as > a good goal)? It is too big a topic for me to explain at the current moment, but you can take my abstract at http://nars.wang.googlepages.com/gti-5 as a starting point. Pei > >> From: "Pei Wang" <[email protected]> >> Reply-To: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [agi] just a thought >> Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2009 16:21:23 -0500 >> >> I guess something like this is in the plan of many, if not all, AGI >> projects. For NARS, see >> http://nars.wang.googlepages.com/wang.roadmap.pdf , under "(4) >> Socialization" in page 11. >> >> It is just that to attempt any non-trivial multi-agent experiment, the >> work in single agent needs to be mature enough. The AGI projects are >> not there yet. >> >> Pei >> >> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Valentina Poletti <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > Cool, >> > >> > this idea has already been applied successfully to some areas of AI, >> > such as >> > ant-colony algorithms and swarm intelligence algorithms. But I was >> > thinking >> > that it would be interesting to apply it at a high level. For example, >> > consider that you create the best AGI agent you can come up with and, >> > instead of running just one, you create several copies of it (perhaps >> > with >> > slight variations), and you initiate each in a different part of your >> > reality or environment for such agents, after letting them have the >> > ability >> > to communicate. In this way whenever one such agents learns anything >> > meaningful he passes the information to all other agents as well, that >> > is, >> > it not only modifies its own policy but it also affects the other's to >> > some >> > extent (determined by some constant or/and by how much the other agent >> > likes >> > this one, that is how useful learning from it has been in the past and >> > so >> > on). This way not only each agent would learn much faster, but also the >> > agents could learn to use this communication ability to their advantage >> > to >> > ameliorate. I just think it would be interesting to implement this, not >> > that >> > I am capable of right now. >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Bob Mottram <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> >> 2009/1/14 Valentina Poletti <[email protected]>: >> >> > Anyways my point is, the reason why we have achieved so much >> >> > technology, >> >> > so >> >> > much knowledge in this time is precisely the "we", it's the union of >> >> > several >> >> > individuals together with their ability to communicate with one-other >> >> > that >> >> > has made us advance so much. In a sense we are a single being with >> >> > millions >> >> > of eyes, ears, hands, brains, which alltogether can create amazing >> >> > things. >> >> > But take any human being alone, isolate him/her from any contact with >> >> > any >> >> > other human being and rest assured he/she will not achieve a single >> >> > artifact >> >> > of technology. In fact he/she might not survive long. >> >> >> >> >> >> Yes. I think Ben made a similar point in The Hidden Pattern. People >> >> studying human intelligence - psychologists, psychiatrists, cognitive >> >> scientists, etc - tend to focus narrowly on the individual brain, but >> >> human intelligence is more of an emergent networked phenomena >> >> populated by strange meta-entities such as archetypes and memes. Even >> >> the greatest individuals from the world of science or art didn't make >> >> their achievements in a vacuum, and were influenced by earlier works. >> >> >> >> Years ago I was chatting with someone who was about to patent some >> >> piece of machinery. He had his name on the patent, but was pointing >> >> out that it's very difficult to be able to say exactly who made the >> >> invention - who was the "guiding mind". In this case many individuals >> >> within his company had some creative input, and there was really no >> >> one "inventor" as such. I think many human-made artifacts are like >> >> this. >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> >> agi >> >> Archives: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/303/=now >> >> RSS Feed: https://www.listbox.com/member/archive/rss/303/ >> >> Modify Your Subscription: https://www.listbox.com/member/?&; >> >> Powered by Listbox: http://www.listbox.com >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > A true friend stabs you in the front. - O. Wilde >> > >> > Einstein once thought he was wrong; then he discovered he was wrong. >> > >> > For every complex problem, there is an answer which is short, simple and >> > wrong. - H.L. 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