I really think using email alone decreases our efficiency, therefore I suggest we use other methods in conjunction to email to maximize our interactions. I also realize we have attempted the forum thing to very little success, but how about this. Ive created a document that we can all edit, lets try to grab the what we think are some key points from this thread and or others and attempt to organize the our inputs. Creating documents could help elevate the conversation into realms yet to be explored for the simple fact of everyone retracing what has been said. Just a thought... IN either case this is how I take notes..
https://docs.google.com/document/edit?id=1lYoFXTdXshlPutY1zTi0-m9nl7Oh8OfKIgGuQfQG0aM&hl=en On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Travis Lenting <[email protected]>wrote: > What do you class as enhancement? > > I'm not talking about shoes making us run faster I'm talking about direct > brain interfacing that significantly increases a persons intelligence that > would allow them to out smart us all for their own good. > > The idea of the Singularity is that AGI enhances itself. Hence a > singularity *without* AGI is a contradiction in terms. > > Does it really need to be able to figure out anything though? Can it not > just be more narrow in focus? Could it just understand itself without being > able to say, figure out how to navigate an RC through an obstacle course, > could this AI still start a self improvement cycle? > > I did not quite get you syntax on reproduction > > I don't trust reproduction machines (lifeforms) because even if they are > social animals its only cause its best for themselves. So don't model it > after a brain is basically all I'm saying. > > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Ian Parker <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> On 27 June 2010 22:21, Travis Lenting <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I don't like the idea of enhancing human intelligence before the >>> singularity. >> >> >> What do you class as enhancement? Suppose I am in the Middle East and I am >> wearing glasses which can give a 3D data screen. Somebody speaks to me. Up >> on my glasses are the possible translations. Neither me nor the computer >> system understands Arabic, yet together we can achieve comprehension. (PS I >> in fact did just that with >> http://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AQIg8QuzTONQZGZxenF2NnNfNzY4ZDRxcnJ0aHI&hl=en_GB >> ) >> >> I think crime has to be made impossible even for an enhanced humans first. >> >> >> If our enhancement was Internet based it could be turned off if we were >> about to commit a crime. You really should have said "unenhanced" humans. If >> my conversation (see above) was about jihad and terrorism AI would provide a >> route for the security services. I think you are muddled here. >> >> >>> I think life is too adapt to abusing opportunities if possible. I would >>> like to see the singularity enabling AI to be as least like a reproduction >>> machine as possible. Does it really need to be a general AI to cause a >>> singularity? >> >> >> The idea of the Singularity is that AGI enhances itself. Hence a >> singularity *without* AGI is a contradiction in terms. I did not quite >> get you syntax on reproduction, but it is perfectly true that you do not >> need a singularity for a Von Neumann machine. The singularity is a long way >> off yet Obama is going to leave Afghanistan in 2014 leaving robots behind. >> >> >>> Can it not just stick to scientific data and quantify human uncertainty? >>> It seems like it would be less likely to ever care about killing all humans >>> so it can rule the galaxy or that its an omnipotent servant. >> >> >> AGI will not have evolved. It will have been created. It will not anyway >> have the desires we might ascribe to it. Scientific data would be a high >> priority but you could *never* be exclusively scientific. If human >> uncertainty were quantified that would give it, or whoever wielded it >> immense power. >> >> There is one other eventuality to consider - a virus. If an AGI system was >> truly thinking and introspective, at least to the extent that it understood >> what it was doing, a virus would be impossible. Software would in fact be >> self repairing. >> >> GT makes a lot of very silly translations. Could I say that no one in >> Mossad or any dictator ever told me how to do my French homework. Trivial >> and naive remark, yet GT is open to all kinds of hacking. True AGI would not >> by definition. This does in fact serve to indicate how far off we are. >> >> >> - Ian Parker >> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, The Wizard <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> This is wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is dangerous. How about >>>> instead of hoping that AGI won't destroy the world, you study the problem >>>> and come up with a safe design. >>>> >>>> >>>> Agreed on this dangerous thought! >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Matt Mahoney <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> This is wishful thinking. Wishful thinking is dangerous. How about >>>>> instead of hoping that AGI won't destroy the world, you study the problem >>>>> and come up with a safe design. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- Matt Mahoney, [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> *From:* rob levy <[email protected]> >>>>> *To:* agi <[email protected]> >>>>> *Sent:* Sat, June 26, 2010 1:14:22 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Questions for an AGI >>>>> >>>>> why should AGIs give a damn about us? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> I like to think that they will give a damn because humans have a >>>>> unique way of experiencing reality and there is no reason to not take >>>>> advantage of that precious opportunity to create astonishment or bliss. If >>>>> anything is important in the universe, its insuring positive experiences >>>>> for >>>>> all areas in which it is conscious, I think it will realize that. And with >>>>> the resources available in the solar system alone, I don't think we will >>>>> be >>>>> much of a burden. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I like that idea. Another reason might be that we won't crack the >>>>> problem of autonomous general intelligence, but the singularity will >>>>> proceed >>>>> regardless as a symbiotic relationship between life and AI. 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