I retract my proposal " This is not unlike defamation law" and create the
following. I won't remove the bit about formal statements of intent not
constituting faking, because it's already in the rule and I think it makes
sense as there are already rules against ratifying false things, but I will
follow some of PSS's other suggestions. I will also try to make it simpler
and more readable. Also I'm going to add more fun law language, because I'm
not paying some university jerks a hundred thousand dollars for nothing.
I create the following proposal
Title: Better Faking
AI 1
Chamber: Justice
Text: Amend rule 2471 "No Faking" so that it states
{Faking is a class 2 crime.
Faking constitutes making a public statement that is
1. A pure and verifiable statement of fact fact about current or past
Agoran gamestate and is
2. False at the time the statement is made and is
3. Either subjectively intended to be a lie or is surrounded by objective
circumstances that make it overwhelmingly likely that the statement's
falsity significantly benefits the maker of the statement, which means it
may be presumed to be intended as a lie.
However, a statement that is part of a formal announcement of intent is
never Faking. A statement is never Faking if context establishes that the
statement was qualified by its author as false in the same message, and it
is never Faking to quote another person's false statement.}
The defense that I included of having the statement be qualified or
disclaimed is a little more protective than the current No Faking, but
that's because the current No Faking was actually amended to allow more
lies with disclaimers and such, which I find generally silly
On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 9:01 PM Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via
agora-discussion <agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 4:48 AM Rebecca via agora-business
> <agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >
> > I create this proposal
> >
> > Title: This is not unlike defamation law
> > AI 1
> > Chamber: Justice
> > Text: Amend rule 2471 "No Faking" so that it states
> > A person SHALL NOT make a public statement that (1) is a statement of
> pure
> > and verifiable fact about the game state of Agora and
>
> I like this change because it's more clear than the current text.
>
> > (2) is false at the
> > time the statement is made and
>
> I'm interested in how this would interact with ratification and
> confusion around that, but if we resolve that, I generally like it.
> Additionally, this removes the possibility of someone believing that
> they are making a false statement when it is in fact true. I think we
> should keep that as illegal because that way we don't always have to
> determine the exact accuracy of a statement at a time, which
> unfortunately can be very complicated.
>
> > (3) is likely, at the time the statement is
> > made, to induce game actions by other persons that would not be taken if
> a
> > true statement was substituted for the false one.
>
> This seems like an overly restrictive test. As the person who will
> likely have to make this assessment, I would prefer if we either went
> for much more specific or keep a more vague standard. I also don't
> like the removal of the intent and knowledge clause because this could
> force us to punish people for simply being wrong.
>
> > Making such a statement
> > is the Class-2 crime of Faking.
> >
> > Statements of formal intent never constitute Faking.
> >
>
> I don't like this final clause because it allows ratification of
> things without a specific statement of any changes. Preventing this
> increases transparency and is therefore good for the game.
>
> I would also like to keep the following text because it provides some
> helpful safeguards and avoids disputes:
>
> Merely quoting a statement does not constitute making
> it for the purposes of this rule. Any disclaimer, conditional
> clause, or other qualifier attached to a statement constitutes
> part of the statement for the purposes of this rule; the truth or
> falsity of the whole is what is significant.
>
--
>From R. Lee
