On Tue, 27 Jan 2009, Warrigal wrote:
>> I CFJ on the following statement:  If the Rules specify that a player is
>> to receive a Note for performing a required (i.e. a SHALL) action, and e
>> fails to perform it, the withholding of the Note is, for the purposes of
>> R101(vi), a penalty for breaking the SHALL.
>>
>> Caller's Arguments:
>>
>> This situation in general exists in the rules for a variety of duties
>> (officers, judges).  The question is whether "withholding a reward" is
>> the same thing as "punishment".
>
> Gratuitous argument: If withholding a reward for an action not
> performed is a punishment, we're all constantly being punished for
> doing something we are not obligated to not do.

You're missing the key point that I'm not talking about non-obligations. 
I'm talking about "not being rewarded for failing to perform a required
action".  In other words, is there a difference between "having a 
reward withheld" for breaking the rules and "being punished" for breaking 
the rules?  -Goethe



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