On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 5:43 PM Luis Ressel <[email protected]> wrote: > On Mon, 24 Oct 2016 23:51:53 -0700 > Aris Merchant <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Aranea, do you want to present formal arguments, or are you fine with > > what you and G. already have? > > Unfortunately, I haven't been able to come up with any satisfying > arguments why Alexis' idea may or may not work. If you have enough free > time, it might prove worthwile to dig in the archives for old CFJs or > since repealed rules concerning this topic. > > However, there's one argument I can provide. It's not directly related > to your CFJ, but I expect you'll put forward your opinion on the > success of the three deputisation attempts by Alexis and G. too, so you > might be interested in it: > > As G. pointed out, the precise meaning of the "When" in "When a player > deputises via normal deputisation for an elected office, e becomes the > holder of that office." (R2160) is not clear -- does this happen > before, after or perhaps even during the execution of the action the > deputy is performing? The third option ("during") seems very weird to > me, so I'm going to focus on the other two possibilites. > > I found one sentence in R2160 which suggest the author intented the > "when" to mean "after": The third paragraph reads "A player CAN perform > an action as if e held a particular office, via normal deputisation, > [..]". If the deputy became the officeholder before performing the > actual actions e's deputising for, the clause "as if e held a > particular office" wouldn't make sense -- after all, the deputy > wouldn't be performing the action "as if e's the officeholder", but > rather "as the officeholder". > > Additionally, I have an heuristic argument which also suggests that the > interpretation "when=before" is unlikely: I grepped the ruleset for > occurrences of the word "when" and grouped them by their meaning > (either "before", "during" or "after"). Of course, I had to ignore many > occurrences which didn't fit into this scheme; most of them used "when" > for a definition (that is, it could've been replaced by "if"). > > I found two instances where "when" meant "after" (Rules 103 and 1681), > four instances where it meant "during" (955, 2175, 2426, 2461), and > eight instances where I couldn't decide whether it meant "during" or > "after" (106, 208, 911, 2426, 2462, 2458, 2452, 2438). However, I > didn't find any rules which used "when" and actually implied "before". > > -- > aranea >
I actually have a personal mental model of Agoran time that agrees that I erred in listing myself, and not aranea, as the ADoP, and that aranea was indeed the officer at the time of the report. It's not something that I have ever written out in full, however. Perhaps that would be a good thesis, actually. -Alexis
