I move to enter this judgement into moot. ---- Publius Scribonius Scholasticus [email protected]
> On Jul 5, 2017, at 4:35 PM, V.J Rada <[email protected]> wrote: > > This contains my motion to reconsider and my > adressing your argument (although cursorily) > > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 6:42 PM, V.J Rada <[email protected]> wrote: > I move to reconsider (you can't, you cndan intend to move > and wait for two support. > > I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation. > I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated > action though. It seems to me that despite the auction > provisions, people could auction their own property > without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact > that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction > off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh) > does not work. > > "A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any > player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement" > from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction > provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of > the word "Owner" means someone who can control their > property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner > or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized > by rule (such as the auction provision). > > CB raises the additional argument that an auction still can be > called even if the winner cannot have the property transferred > to them. Auction is undefined. The ordinary meaning is > "a public sale in which goods or property are sold to the highest > bidder.". A sale cannot exist unless the property is actually > given to the winner of the auction. I have already explained that > this cannot happen. Therefore, an auction has not been called > here. > > > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 5:34 PM, Cuddle Beam <[email protected]> wrote: > I motion to reconsider. > > Whether the winning bid can actually make a transfer or not shouldn't affect > if there is actually an *auction* or not in the first place, I believe. > > On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 11:14 AM, V.J Rada <[email protected]> wrote: > I'm judging this FALSE. GASP! Surprise rocks the nation. > I'm not judging it FALSE because auctioning is a regulated > action though. It seems to me that despite the auction > provisions, people could auction their own property > without breaching the rules. I'm judging it based on the fact > that Estate ownership is regulated, and CB's attempt to auction > off Estates owned by another entity (Agora) and person (Josh) > does not work. > > "A player who owns an Estate can and may transfer it to any > player, to any Organization, or to Agora, by announcement" > from rule 2489 regulates Estate ownership, as does the auction > provision. This, mixed with the fact that the ordinary meaning of > the word "Owner" means someone who can control their > property, precludes anyone from taking an Estate from its owner > or causing it to be taken from em, unless specifically authorized > by rule (such as the auction provision). > > On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 12:12 AM, Alex Smith <[email protected]> wrote: > On Sun, 2017-07-02 at 02:21 +0200, CuddleBeam wrote: > > The moment is ripe to attempt something like this, because it's Auction > > time. Let's go: > > > > Putting Estates up to Auction is an unregulated action, much like > > withdrawing. (I don't personally believe this - because I believe all > > actions in the universe are Regulated - but many others do, so I'm going > > off that). In case its of doubt, the following states an obligation for the > > Surveyor to perform, so its not a description of "circumstances under which > > the action would succeed or fail": > > > > "At the start of each month, if Agora owns at least one Estate, the > > Surveyor shall put one Estate which is owned by Agora up for auction, by > > announcement. Each auction ends seven days after it begins." > > > > Additionally, the state of being in an auction or not is tracked by nobody, > > so it doesn't infringe "would, as part of its effect, modify information > > for which some player is required to be a recordkeepor" > > > > Therefore: > > > > - I put every Estate up for Auction, (even those owned by other players, if > > possible). > > - I then bid a million shinies on each of them. > > - I then bid one shiny on each of them. > > > > I have absolutely no defense towards other people bidding more than a > > million and using my own "scam" to win auctions, which only works versus > > the "conventional" way of winning them by bidding amounts of cash you > > actually own. > > > > I CFJ: "There is currently more than one auction for Estates" > > > > That's all. > > This is CFJ 3537. I assign it to V.J. Rada. > > -- > ais523 > Arbitor > > > >
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