Wait so... what's actually going on here? Do I need to respond to the CoEs or 
what? I'm very confused right now.
Also, ATTN Aris: NttPF.

On 11/5/2017 8:54 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
I CoE your CoE. Rule 879 states that

"Each Agoran Decision has a quorum. This is a number set when the
decision is created, and thereafter cannot be changed. When a person
initiates an Agoran Decision, that person SHALL state the quorum of
that decision. However, incorrectly stating the quorum of a decision
does not invalidate the initiation, nor does it actually change the
quorum of the decision."

Nowhere does it say that failing to announce quorum invalidates the decision.

-Aris

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
<[email protected]> wrote:
CoE: The quorum is not specified for the first decision.

On 11/01/2017 09:15 AM, ATMunn wrote:
On 10/31/2017 9:34 PM, VJ Rada wrote:
Sorry Munn, neither the initiation of the election nor the
distribution of the proposal worked. Rules say the following "the ADoP
CAN and SHALL, _in the same message_: 1) If the election is contested,
initiate an Agoran decision to select the winner of the election (the
poll). For this decision, the Vote Collector is the Assessor, the
valid options are the candidates for that election (including those
who become candidates after its initiation), and the voting method is
instant runoff. 2) Distribute all pendingCampaign Proposals associated
with the election.".

Gotta be in the same message.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:35 AM, ATMunn <[email protected]> wrote:
Ah, thanks for letting me know.


On 10/31/2017 8:32 PM, VJ Rada wrote:

(by the way ATMunn, I am uncommitted).

I vote for myself, and FOR my campaign proposal.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 11:30 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
<[email protected]> wrote:

I vote in favour.

On 10/31/2017 08:29 PM, ATMunn wrote:

I was too lazy to check for very long, sorry.

I hereby distribute the below campaign proposal, initiating the
Agoran
Decision of whether to adopt it. For this decision, the vote
collector
is the Assessor, the quorum is [quorum] and the valid options are
FOR
and AGAINST (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are conditionals).

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

Title: Referee Reform and Card Appealability
Author: V.J. Rada
Co-author(s):
Adoption Index: 2


Change the power of rule 2451, Executive Orders, to 2.0. In this
rule,
replace the text "The reason for the card MAY be any grievance
held by
the Prime Minister" with "Notwithstanding rule 2426, the reason for
the card MAY be any grievance held by the Prime Minister"

In rule 2426, replace the text
"Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any
attempt
to issue a Card, or any intent for a dependent action to issue a
Card,
is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include the following information:

The type of Card being issued,
The person to whom the Card is being issued (the bad sport), and
The specific action, inaction of the bad sport giving rise to the
Card
(the reason)."

with the text

"Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any
attempt
to issue a Card is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include (1) the
type of
card being issued, (2) the name of the person being issued the card
(the bad sport), and (3) the specific reason for the issuance of the
card, or if it attempts to issue a person a card for an action or
inaction which e (more likely than not) did not commit, or if it
attempts to issue a card for an action or inaction which is not
prohibited by law, or if it attempts to issue a type of card
which is
blatantly and obviously unsuited to the conduct which constitutes
the
reason for its issuance or to the person to which it is being
issued,
or if it is made more than 14 days after the conduct constituting
the
reason for the issuance of the card, or if it attempts to issue a
card
to a player who has already been issued a card for the conduct
constituting the reason for the issuance of the card."

Also in rule 2426, remove the last paragraph.

In rule 2479 "Official Justice", remove the last paragraph.

Also in rule 2479, replace the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir
Finger or impose Summary Judgment more than five total times per
week,
or more than twice per week at or on the same person."
with the text
"The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three times a
week".

Also in rule 2479, append, at the end of the first paragraph, the
text
"Summary Judgement is imposed on the Referee's own initiative,
and not
in response to any official proceeding".

In rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice", remove the last paragraph.

Also in rule 2478, replace the text " - issuing a Card to the
pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the
allegation; or"
with the text
" - Imposing the Cold Hand of Justice, issuing a Card to the
pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the
allegation; or"

Also in rule 2478, add below the dot-points and above the paragraph
beginning "The Referee is by default", add a new paragraph which
reads
"There is no limit on how many times a player may impose the Cold
Hand
of Justice per week".

Add a new rule at power 1 entitled "Referee Accountability" with the
text "If the Referee attempts to issue three or more INEFFECTIVE
cards
in a week, any player CAN, with two support, issue a writ of
Impartial
Arbitration Restoration, immediately making the position of Referee
vacant. When a writ of Impartial Arbitration Restoration is issued,
the ADoP SHALL initiate an election for the Referee within a timely
fashion"
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


I vote PRESENT (for now, I might change my vote later once I have
time
to actually think about what this is saying)

On 10/31/2017 4:09 PM, VJ Rada wrote:

ttttpf

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:08 AM, VJ Rada <[email protected]> wrote:


https://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg30296.html



On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 7:07 AM, VJ Rada <[email protected]>
wrote:

COE: There was absolutely a flippin' campaign proposal from me.

On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 1:01 AM, ATMunn <[email protected]>
wrote:

As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran
Decision to
select the winner of the Referee election.

For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid
options are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote,
as are
conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff.

Currently, the candidates are VJ Rada and o. As the election is
contested, any player still may become a candidate until the
poll
ends.

There were no campaign proposals.

Also, I strongly encourage anyone voting on election-related
things to
post your votes in this thread from now on.

Here are all of the current votes (attn: PSS)


///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


Rulekeepor

o: {PSS, Alexis, Trigon}
ATMunn: {Alexis, PSS}
Alexis: Conditional ({Alexis, Trigon} if Alexis publishes a FLR
draft
            to a forum before the end of the voting period;
{Trigon,
Alexis}
            otherwise.)
VJ Rada: {Trigon}
PSS: {PSS, Alexis}
Aris: {Trigon, Alexis}

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


Agronomist

ATMunn: {o}
VJ Rada: PRESENT
PSS: PRESENT
Alexis: {o, VJ Rada}
o: {o, VJ Rada}

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


Proposals 7954-7956

           |7954|7955|7956

-------+----+----+----+------------------------------------------------


ATMunn |F   |A   |F   |
VJ Rada|F   |A   |F   |
PSS    |F   |A   |F   |
Alexis |F   |F   |F   |
o      |F   |A   |F   |

-------+----+----+----+------------------------------------------------



///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////








--
    From V.J. Rada




--
    From V.J. Rada





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Publius Scribonius Scholasticus










Oh. Well then...

As per my duties as ADoP, I hereby initiate the Agoran Decision to
select the winner of the Referee election.

For this decision, the vote collector is the Assessor, the valid
options are the candidates (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are
conditionals), and the voting method is instant runoff.

Currently, the candidates are VJ Rada and o. As the election is
contested, any player still may become a candidate until the poll ends.

I also hereby distribute the below campaign proposal, initiating the
AgoranDecision of whether to adopt it. For this decision, the vote
collector is the Assessor, the quorum is 6.0 and the valid options are
FOR and AGAINST (PRESENT is always a valid vote, as are conditionals).

Please vote again!

///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
Title: Referee Reform and Card Appealability
Author: V.J. Rada
Co-author(s):
Adoption Index: 2


Change the power of rule 2451, Executive Orders, to 2.0. In this rule,
replace the text "The reason for the card MAY be any grievance held by
the Prime Minister" with "Notwithstanding rule 2426, the reason for
the card MAY be any grievance held by the Prime Minister"

In rule 2426, replace the text
"Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any attempt
to issue a Card, or any intent for a dependent action to issue a Card,
is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include the following information:

The type of Card being issued,
The person to whom the Card is being issued (the bad sport), and
The specific action, inaction of the bad sport giving rise to the Card
(the reason)."

with the text

"Cards CANNOT be issued except by players by announcement. Any attempt
to issue a Card is INEFFECTIVE if it does not include (1) the type of
card being issued, (2) the name of the person being issued the card
(the bad sport), and (3) the specific reason for the issuance of the
card, or if it attempts to issue a person a card for an action or
inaction which e (more likely than not) did not commit, or if it
attempts to issue a card for an action or inaction which is not
prohibited by law, or if it attempts to issue a type of card which is
blatantly and obviously unsuited to the conduct which constitutes the
reason for its issuance or to the person to which it is being issued,
or if it is made more than 14 days after the conduct constituting the
reason for the issuance of the card, or if it attempts to issue a card
to a player who has already been issued a card for the conduct
constituting the reason for the issuance of the card."

Also in rule 2426, remove the last paragraph.

In rule 2479 "Official Justice", remove the last paragraph.

Also in rule 2479, replace the text "The Referee CANNOT Point eir
Finger or impose Summary Judgment more than five total times per week,
or more than twice per week at or on the same person."
with the text
"The Referee CANNOT impose Summary Judgement more than three times a
week".

Also in rule 2479, append, at the end of the first paragraph, the text
"Summary Judgement is imposed on the Referee's own initiative, and not
in response to any official proceeding".

In rule 2478, "Vigilante Justice", remove the last paragraph.

Also in rule 2478, replace the text " - issuing a Card to the
pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the
allegation; or"
with the text
" - Imposing the Cold Hand of Justice, issuing a Card to the
pointed-at person by announcement whose reason is rooted in the
allegation; or"

Also in rule 2478, add below the dot-points and above the paragraph
beginning "The Referee is by default", add a new paragraph which reads
"There is no limit on how many times a player may impose the Cold Hand
of Justice per week".

Add a new rule at power 1 entitled "Referee Accountability" with the
text "If the Referee attempts to issue three or more INEFFECTIVE cards
in a week, any player CAN, with two support, issue a writ of Impartial
Arbitration Restoration, immediately making the position of Referee
vacant. When a writ of Impartial Arbitration Restoration is issued,
the ADoP SHALL initiate an election for the Referee within a timely
fashion"
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

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Publius Scribonius Scholasticus


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